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hello and welcome to the show it's

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Martin Willis I'm your host and I am in

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New Brunswick

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now I haven't told I haven't told Stan

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this yet but I'll tell you the listeners

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I mentioned I was at the Canada border I

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gave them my passport was talking to

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them and then they asked me what I was

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doing and I said well I'm interviewing

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someone in New Brunswick and Frederick

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in and they said okay well what's the

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interview about and I said UFOs and then

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I was asked so many other questions they

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actually made me pull my car over and I

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was I was detained for quite some time

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kind of looking through to make sure but

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I all of a sudden I'm thinking is it had

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to do with UFOs I don't know but anyway

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I am here with the one and only the one

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and only and you know who he is

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I have Stan Friedman welcome to the show

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Stan delighted to be with you yeah

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thanks for thanks for setting this up

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now we are actually in a conference room

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in a hotel in Fredericton and your

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internet just it just didn't feel

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comfortable with your internet and

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that's fine so we're we made it I was I

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got to tell you I was sweating when I

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was at the border because I was watching

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the clock tick and so everything's good

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Stan thanks so much in this show is a

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tribute to you it's got our last show

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together and I think it's been about ten

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times that we've been a lot I don't keep

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track of these yeah you can't if you had

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to keep track of I need a secretary and

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I don't have one right so Stan you

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started back in what year was it you

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start I read Andrew Pope's book the

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report on unidentified flying objects in

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1958 and that was only because I was

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ordering books from marburo books I

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needed one more book so I wouldn't have

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to pay shipping and there was a roux

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belts book

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and it was marked down to dollar

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ninety-nine or something and so wasn't

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it cost me anything because otherwise it

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would have had to pay shipping because

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for the rest of the order and that was a

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lot more than a dollar ninety-nine so

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that company started and I didn't get my

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first lecture I'm a little slow on the

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draw as a nuclear physicist you have to

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be careful what you say sure it will

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expect you to be factual you know and so

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I didn't get my first lecture until 1967

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and I didn't go full-time really until

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about 1978 or so no not that late but

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there were a lot of years I'm speaking

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before I went full-time

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the problem was that I worked in a

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Howell I putted a volatile industry

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scientists this wasn't six professors

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sitting around the table you know I

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worked for most exciting thing in my

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professional career if you will was

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lab when we tested the nrx a sixth

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from area 51 the thing was this big

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test was done out in Nevada but we were

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thousand so that was so exciting and

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thing you know and I thought I was

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headed for the best job you could

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imagine they canceled the nuclear rocket

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program okay I'm looking around for a

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job sending out resumes and I knew dr.

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California and I got a job offer and my

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opportunity you know I don't think I've

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ever heard this part well in other words

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how to do space travel is that what

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a McDonnell Douglas weak point and they

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were an aerospace of course was how do

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you to zip around the atmosphere you

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know and so I'm driving across the

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country when I heard on the radio that

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the program manned orbiting laboratory

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which I was gonna be working under got

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cancelled as I'm driving across the

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country and I walk in nothing like being

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greeted with I show my papers and stuff

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you know I had an offer and all I you

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know we just laid off 5,000 people you

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just took the job I just took yeah they

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kept me for three months I could do

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whatever I wanted

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well at least you didn't get it by a

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Twitter no I didn't and it was you know

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I really was looking forward to it

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I've been working for 14 years in

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industry and so here is a chance to put

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it all all the work to use so to speak

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around in the atmosphere in going to the

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I did that was exciting to me I did a

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literature search on magneto

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aerodynamics hmm

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astonished me frankly but so many people

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were looking into this you if you the

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right angles to the electric field that

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the magnetic field and people actually

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words but they're directly analogous but

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was Mirabeau big Mirabeau was he one

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that worked on this no but I know him he

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people listening tonight

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nice messages in the message board 45

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to have calls people can call in

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wish stand well and and thank him for

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his great work over all these years and

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when we get to that time I will announce

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it and also just basically how to call

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in I'll tell you how to do that when

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that time comes so Stan this your career

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you had I imagine if you stuck with your

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career you could have made a heck of a

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lot of money if I've been able to find

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jobs using my weird talents I suppose

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mean I worked my way through five years

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Catskill Mountains would you believe for

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a couple of summers there was a waiter

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lot of other esotery is seeming to me

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food so the point is I did work my way

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brilliant oxide boron carbide and

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lithium hydride you know where all this

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stuff come from they weren't teaching me

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about that at the University that's for

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sure I was in radiation shielding and so

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aircraft to begin with and then in a

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space system and other things you know

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what I told you earlier is that the

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aircraft nuclear propulsion program at

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General Electric 1956 to 1959 I work our

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aircraft nuclear propulsion systems so

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it would be you know we never

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successfully uh we operated jet engines

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on nuclear power oh yes but not in an

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airplane I don't understand you know for

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the Ventura and all that how to have it

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but I'd like to ask you after the show

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how that worked

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it's very straightforward you take cold

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reactor and kick it out through the

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terminal those heated air amazing yes

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airs all over where you're flying anyway

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that's Andy the nuclear rocket that uses

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liquid hydrogen as a propellant hmm

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which is a wholly different animal but

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is the lowest atomic number element the

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lightest weight for a cubic foot of

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propellant you know and one nice thing

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about hydrogen it's all over the place

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things no shortage of it you know and

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the moon has hydrogen 3 right most it

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probably does I don't know that's a good

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question yeah now Stan okay I guess what

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I was getting at when I said you could

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have made a lot of money if you stuck

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with this particular career do have any

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regrets doing what you've done no no no

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I go with the flow he was an aerospace

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analogy I find challenges everywhere and

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everything I worked on wasn't dum-dum

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routine I mean aircraft nuga propulsion

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system is not in a routine and I worked

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on spacecraft compact nuclear reactors a

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blue Bruce a lot of electricity you know

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to operate other systems it's exciting

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it was difficult but I mean did you have

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to have any regrets going into the UFO

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field from another career because well I

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in like 79 so what made you decide to go

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full-time I needed a job and a family to

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support was very straightforward I took

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I thought I was gonna have the keenest

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job I would ever have wished for I was

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hired by McDonnell Douglas and I my job

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would be to figure out how flying

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saucers worked now that was a challenge

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and exciting and it was a shock when I'm

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driving across the country and heard

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that the program I was gonna work on had

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been cancelled out of the blue so to

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speak literally so but I'd already given

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lectures I've been lecturing for ten

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more than ten years so I enjoyed I'm a

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ham it's not kosher but I'm a hand I

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like being on the stage yeah and I've

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enjoyed it may sound strange some people

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a lot of people suggested especially

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early on that boy you must get a hard

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time from people well I don't I have a

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question answer period after every

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lecture more than 700 lectures so far

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yeah and I've had eleven hecklers and

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two of them were drunk yeah but you're

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gonna get that many if you talk about

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anything you know there's no shortage of

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them and you know what I've found the

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first year I was out full time so to

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speak I was worried I was speaking to

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Institute of Aeronautics and

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Astronautics sections technical groups

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Engineering Society of Cincinnati

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Engineering Society of Detroit is her

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prose so you're gonna be careful what

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you say

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you know they won't put up with garbage

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and they responded extremely well so I

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was delighted at the response and you

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know a typical example

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Gulf research labs technical people and

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I spoke and first question as well I'm

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sure one could come to other conclusions

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and the ones you've come to and I said

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well as I recall now I talked about five

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large-scale scientific studies and I

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asked somebody had read each one sneaky

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and you hadn't read any of those you

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remember them anybody who raises hand

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more than once because it was very rare

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at that time is that right yes I said

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what's the difference between us isn't

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it I gave you my conclusions I gave you

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the evidence the sources pictures of the

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covers of technical data and I've read

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them all you've read none of them whose

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opinions worth more and I shut up so I

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have had the opportunity to with

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technical people engineering societies I

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haven't avoided I preferred speaking

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professional groups you know we want to

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educate him a little bit and you're

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curious and so forth and but I also

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realized that I had a special background

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in terms of having worked on classified

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programs many people I've had people to

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all governments can't keep secrets oh

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yes they can

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there are leaks occasionally but

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remember there was a mile long facility

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built to separate uranium isotopes in

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secret a mile long the Manhattan Project

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yeah and there are other the stealth

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aircraft was developed in secret umpteen

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billion dollars were spent so secrets

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can be kept and some people don't

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appreciate that because they haven't

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worked on how would you know and and

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people say well of course you told your

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wife foot you were I never told my wife

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anything classified I'd be crazy to do

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that and this is my job could be

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prosecuted do you think some people do

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though I mean I think very little ice

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cream the heck daddy and frankly really

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yeah look one time I had to carry my own

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slides for

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classified presentation at a radiation

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shielding meeting that was classified

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and the couriered already left my slides

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weren't already in time and they sat me

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down and read me the riot act

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he slides go with you not in the trunk

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of the car that you're driving when

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you're in a car they go with you and if

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the plane crashes at Your Honor we don't

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care about you we care about the

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classified material and you here enough

370
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with this sort of stuff and I was so

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glad to get rid of the Hoos because when

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I got there I had to you know I say my

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size they were mine after class I had to

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be kept in a storage facility and all

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the rest of that so I developed a

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healthy appreciation of the fact but

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plenty can go on under security we don't

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know and some people ask me if I think

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the flying saucers are wrong and I say

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no because the number of sightings going

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back a long ways the behavior if we had

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systems like that we'd use them in

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warfare right and when we spending all

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that money you gotta justify it yeah you

385
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know the nuclear airplane a nuclear

386
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rocket all these things well let me just

387
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kind of sort of inject this at this

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point so you were all the way back in

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the 60s working on some really amazing

390
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things 56 I started but I mean but I'm

391
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just talking about the technology was

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really quite advanced what you're

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talking about do you think now that

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there are some things that they're

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keeping secret that are just beyond what

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we can imagine well I hope so I would

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think so yeah no really I think but

398
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remember that the big justification was

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the Cold War because if we don't do it

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the Russians will beat us to us and then

401
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I'll take advantage of that and so forth

402
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and so on the Cold War pressures of East

403
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awesome I think and we've got so much

404
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invested in our current equipment so to

405
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speak remember you can't get by building

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one of a

407
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kind of things if you're talking about

408
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warfare airplanes a lot of young people

409
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and realize during World War two

410
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we had fleets of 300 aircraft bombing in

411
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Europe 300 year planes dropping palms

412
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it's quite incredible when you stop to

413
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think about it so you kind of its mass

414
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production and people Wanderers what's

415
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nuclear got to do with anything

416
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well let me illustrate that a big bomb

417
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in world war ii was a 10 ton blockbuster

418
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the energy of 10 tons of dynamite TNT

419
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like aeruginosa no those were no clear

420
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I'm talking about bombing German cities

421
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in Japan sorry I'm sorry

422
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standard conventional chemical I got it

423
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and a big one would release the energy

424
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of 10 tons of dynamite that's not make a

425
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big hole in the ground I'll tell you

426
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that and I found a lot of buildings okay

427
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the first atomic bomb Trinity site in

428
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New Mexico that happens but they're very

429
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similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki

430
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release the energy of 250,000 tons no

431
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I'm sorry 15,000 tons of dynamite but

432
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the first h-bomb 1952 release the energy

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of 10 million tons of dynamite and the

434
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biggest one the Russians said often Tsar

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Bomba

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released the energy of over 50 million

437
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tons of TNT so you go from 10 in World

438
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:40,950
War 2 scary you know less than 20 years

439
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:47,570
later 50 million tons in one bomb so

440
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every civilization out there is going to

441
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try to develop nuclear weapons now we

442
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know but you know we didn't even know

443
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there were neutrons until 1932 efficient

444
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and fusion the two processes that

445
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produced the energy 1930

446
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we first knew about those and so you go

447
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from ten to fifty million in less than a

448
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generation really which is really quite

449
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remarkable and the kicker is all the

450
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stars work by nuclear fusion and I would

451
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guarantee you that every civilization is

452
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gonna ask kind of said star of ours

453
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produce its energy it's a mass of

454
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burning gases what we said in the 1920s

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less than 100 years ago they were still

456
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saying that it isn't it's a fusion

457
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system if you will so it's important

458
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that people recognize that we have

459
00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:53,360
learned about fusion everybody else is

460
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going to want to learn about how their

461
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,860
star produces its energy because it's

462
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:00,080
perfectly obvious it's generating a huge

463
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amount of energy I'm not saying there

464
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isn't something beyond that I don't know

465
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what it is but but we already know

466
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enough in other words just say that six

467
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Rudner elite more we want to go the

468
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Stars we know how to do it if we want to

469
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spend the dough you can go that's my

470
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mother well the base is a basic rule

471
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here technological progress comes from

472
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doing things differently in an

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unpredictable way the future is not an

474
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extrapolation of the past today's

475
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computers are not just better slide

476
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rules and I'm sure a lot of people know

477
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what a slide rule is but I used one when

478
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I was working in industry you got to

479
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change how you do things so now there's

480
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:42,560
another thing that's changed it's

481
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certainly our knowledge of technology

482
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:46,250
that's changed energy production

483
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processes and stuff but we used to think

484
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when Frank Drake astronomer talked about

485
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listening for signals

486
00:24:00,340 --> 00:23:57,980
SETI's search for extraterrestrial

487
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:00,350
intelligence I say it stands for silly

488
00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:02,330
effort to investigate but because I

489
00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:05,000
don't agree with their assumptions but

490
00:24:10,540 --> 00:24:08,660
the care is at that time he was talking

491
00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:10,550
about there might be as many as 8,000

492
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places in the galaxy that could be

493
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sending signals the latest word is that

494
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the stars on the average of 1.6% galaxy

495
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the Milky Way which is one of billions

496
00:24:30,919 --> 00:24:29,059
of galaxies they're over a hundred

497
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billion stars

498
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:34,619
so that means 160 billion planets I'm

499
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:39,029
not saying they're all occupied but 10%

500
00:24:44,659 --> 00:24:41,159
would still give you billions and

501
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,669
billions of planets and the kicker is

502
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:46,799
that we haven't been around that long

503
00:24:55,849 --> 00:24:51,210
right Bishop Ussher in the 1650s said

504
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the world was created in 4004 BC 6000

505
00:25:02,889 --> 00:24:58,619
years ago a big deal and now we say the

506
00:25:07,489 --> 00:25:02,899
earth is at least 5 billion years old so

507
00:25:10,729 --> 00:25:07,499
there are lots of planets out there and

508
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,739
people have had plenty of time I mean

509
00:25:14,989 --> 00:25:12,720
look how short a time compared to the

510
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:14,999
history of the planet it took us to go

511
00:25:19,999 --> 00:25:18,600
from it's got rid the neutron we didn't

512
00:25:24,859 --> 00:25:20,009
know everything around us has got

513
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:24,869
neutrons in it 1932 guy got a Nobel

514
00:25:29,539 --> 00:25:27,960
Prize for that it'd been there all the

515
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:29,549
time you understand but we didn't have

516
00:25:35,419 --> 00:25:32,609
the capability of the tank determining

517
00:25:38,899 --> 00:25:35,429
that it was there so in a very short

518
00:25:43,729 --> 00:25:38,909
time we have jumped to being able to put

519
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,739
a 15 Megaton bomb together now if

520
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:45,840
somebody else got started 10,000 years

521
00:25:53,749 --> 00:25:49,350
before we did or 10 million what do they

522
00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:53,759
know that we don't know so Friedman's

523
00:26:00,909 --> 00:25:56,299
law progress comes from doing things

524
00:26:04,399 --> 00:26:00,919
differently in an unpredictable way I

525
00:26:07,129 --> 00:26:04,409
get that we're just just in just a

526
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,139
minute here going to the break so I will

527
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:09,600
let the people know on YouTube if you

528
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:12,330
want to post your questions now a couple

529
00:26:16,899 --> 00:26:14,100
of questions in there I'll ask stand

530
00:26:21,109 --> 00:26:16,909
that those questions during the break

531
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:21,119
yeah so we are ready to go into break

532
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:24,419
you're listening to Stanton Friedman and

533
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:27,929
we're up in New Brunswick on location

534
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:30,899
his hometown now and we're on kgr a

535
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:34,049
radio and we'll be right back right

536
00:26:44,419 --> 00:26:42,600
after this break all right my friend

537
00:26:45,739 --> 00:26:44,429
we're clear we've got three and a half

538
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:45,749
little over three and a half minutes and

539
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,769
it's bright Martin got it thank you race

540
00:26:55,399 --> 00:26:51,539
okay so let's see if we have any

541
00:26:57,489 --> 00:26:55,409
questions that came in on the chat room

542
00:27:01,129 --> 00:26:57,499
I know people were asking earlier

543
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,139
someone wanted to know a controversial

544
00:27:05,239 --> 00:27:03,210
question I saw come up and that is uh

545
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,249
and you probably don't even want to

546
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:06,960
weigh in on this but what do you think

547
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:08,460
of Billy Meyers photos that was a

548
00:27:13,150 --> 00:27:10,710
question someone wanted to ask you Tony

549
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:13,160
okay that's that's good

550
00:27:22,489 --> 00:27:15,480
[Laughter]

551
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,499
and let's see we can I don't see any

552
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:23,940
it's gonna take me too long to look

553
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:28,529
through these questions and a lot of

554
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:30,570
there's so many people that are giving

555
00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:33,929
you a lot of praise here and someone

556
00:27:38,989 --> 00:27:35,070
says hey if you get bored with

557
00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:38,999
retirement I don't know what they're

558
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:41,879
trying to say here so anyway let's let's

559
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,549
I'm just curious and it's kind of a

560
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:51,240
personal question but what made you

561
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:53,369
decide to move to Canada might want to

562
00:27:58,940 --> 00:27:56,580
Canadian ah I got it and we you could

563
00:28:00,859 --> 00:27:58,950
buy a house in Fredericton for half of

564
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:00,869
what we sold her house for in California

565
00:28:06,649 --> 00:28:03,690
Oh California prices they were so crazy

566
00:28:09,859 --> 00:28:06,659
sky sky and my wife is one of nine kids

567
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,869
and four of them were living back here

568
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:11,820
at that time and their families and her

569
00:28:18,619 --> 00:28:15,529
parents were living here yeah so the

570
00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:18,629
family reasons I wasn't running away

571
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:24,899
from the FBI as somebody totally I've

572
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:26,809
never regretted the move I better say

573
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:29,610
okay here's a couple questions so one of

574
00:28:36,019 --> 00:28:33,960
them is let's see UFOs can't get here

575
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:36,029
from there they would need to go faster

576
00:28:41,369 --> 00:28:37,809
than light that's a question mark

577
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:41,379
no that's wrong I'm not saying they

578
00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:43,330
can't but I don't know how to go fast in

579
00:28:49,979 --> 00:28:45,820
this real life but at 1g acceleration

580
00:28:51,869 --> 00:28:49,989
the force of gravity right here it takes

581
00:28:53,549 --> 00:28:51,879
and I best this is a multiple-choice

582
00:28:56,639 --> 00:28:53,559
question you don't need to know anything

583
00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:56,649
I wanted to take it one G to get to the

584
00:29:01,320 --> 00:28:58,840
speed of light thousand years hundred

585
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,330
years ten years one year many people

586
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:02,799
guess you know how many think it's a

587
00:29:06,959 --> 00:29:05,320
thousand one hundred and ten many people

588
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:06,969
think of thousand or a hundred or ten

589
00:29:12,899 --> 00:29:09,340
takes less than a year so you're talking

590
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:12,909
about a constant G one like a constant

591
00:29:16,019 --> 00:29:14,289
increase yeah

592
00:29:20,369 --> 00:29:16,029
twenty-one miles per hour per second

593
00:29:24,239 --> 00:29:20,379
that's one G terms I don't want to put

594
00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:24,249
in decimal point so that's the first

595
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:27,700
thing the second thing is we that's half

596
00:29:35,339 --> 00:29:31,330
an Einstein Einstein said the speed of

597
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:35,349
light so limit the other part is that

598
00:29:41,549 --> 00:29:38,710
time slows down as you get closer to the

599
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:41,559
speed of light how much is it slow down

600
00:29:47,339 --> 00:29:43,950
well it depends on how close you can't

601
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:47,349
you go out come back and marry your

602
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:49,330
granddaughters best friend because you

603
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:53,950
have an age much yeah and so that's a

604
00:29:59,549 --> 00:29:56,950
very important consideration and it may

605
00:30:01,379 --> 00:29:59,559
sound crazy why is it I don't know why

606
00:30:03,479 --> 00:30:01,389
that's the way God made the universe

607
00:30:06,539 --> 00:30:03,489
how's that for an answer for a nuclear

608
00:30:08,489 --> 00:30:06,549
physicist right yeah okay so that's

609
00:30:10,529 --> 00:30:08,499
sorry we didn't get to more questions or

610
00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:10,539
in this break but we will later and we

611
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:12,489
will be taking calls later on a race

612
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:14,049
we're ready but to go right back on are

613
00:30:22,139 --> 00:30:17,710
we yeah we've got 20 seconds oh I

614
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:22,149
miscalculated here okay yeah just to the

615
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,210
shine never short yeah because I don't

616
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,200
always count the bumper music yeah

617
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:29,919
sometimes you know the bumper music

618
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:31,809
maybe 2 minutes and 20 seconds and are

619
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,440
they around 60 seconds 7

620
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:37,120
sometimes my fingers can be a bit skewed

621
00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:51,720
hey youtubers don't go away okay get the

622
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:53,980
bump of rolling here Stanton you okay

623
00:30:59,910 --> 00:30:56,680
you all set I'm all ready to go

624
00:31:04,190 --> 00:30:59,920
are you ready you bet everybody on

625
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:04,200
YouTube you all ready here we go in five

626
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:10,240
four three two all right everyone

627
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:13,420
welcome back my guest tonight is Stanton

628
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:15,820
Friedman we have a tribute show a

629
00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:18,100
tribute and farewell and we will be

630
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:20,920
taking calls in about 15 to 20 minutes

631
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:22,750
for people who want to call in and wish

632
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:26,140
stand well and thank him for his his

633
00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:29,550
great extraordinary work over the years

634
00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:33,060
so Stan

635
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:35,590
one of the questions I thought about

636
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:39,580
asking you is you broswell

637
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:42,730
do you think that if it wasn't I know

638
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:44,140
how that came about you've told me this

639
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:45,550
story a couple of times it's really

640
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:47,590
interesting do you think that if you

641
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:49,930
didn't show up at that station that day

642
00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:53,170
and there wasn't a delay and or the guy

643
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:55,300
didn't show up or whatever it was

644
00:31:59,670 --> 00:31:57,250
do you think Roswell would have come out

645
00:32:02,490 --> 00:31:59,680
eventually I don't know I wondered about

646
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:02,500
I see no reason to think it had it after

647
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:05,230
all I'm talking about in the late 70s

648
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:10,390
right it happened in 47 so it kept been

649
00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:12,520
kept secret for a long time

650
00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:15,430
and now all the original Witnesses are

651
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:17,500
dead all of them now I thought there was

652
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:22,720
one or two yeah maybe there maybe well

653
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:24,400
there may be ones we don't know anything

654
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:26,440
at all about who were still alive yeah

655
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:30,730
you know but generally speaking they

656
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:36,640
died off and Roswell yeah I'm the

657
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:40,360
original civilian investigator and I'd

658
00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:43,780
heard about it twice actually a woman a

659
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:46,120
guy who was a forest ranger told me

660
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,190
about a great sighting he had and come I

661
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:51,240
was living in California back then and

662
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:53,350
he said you really ought to talk to my

663
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:55,570
mom she had a great report she was in

664
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:58,660
New Mexico so I called Lidia slepping

665
00:33:02,000 --> 00:32:59,190
his

666
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:02,010
mother and cracked out as many people as

667
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:03,630
I could she couldn't remember all the

668
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:06,060
names and so forth and so on and I got

669
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:08,550
nowhere really in finding other people

670
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:11,880
she had heard the story that semester

671
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:13,410
I'd crash and it was being shipped to

672
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:16,650
wright-patterson Air Force Base and it's

673
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:18,900
a true story but I didn't have the data

674
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,730
to back it up so then my hearing about

675
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,740
the real story so to speak that I could

676
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:28,380
follow up on was again strictly by

677
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:30,750
accident I was supposed to do three

678
00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:33,690
interviews in Baton Rouge Louisiana and

679
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:38,040
a third interviewer was late some sit

680
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:40,170
and talking to the station manager and

681
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:42,150
out of the blue he says you know the guy

682
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,680
you ought to talk to was Jesse Marcel

683
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:45,960
and even an investigator that I am I

684
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:48,570
said who's he his next sentence changed

685
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:51,720
my life he handled roughly 200 sausage

686
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:53,010
you understood him he was in the

687
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,490
military what one thing I always forget

688
00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:58,380
to ask you Stan and I want you to

689
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:01,410
continue but how did he know this he was

690
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:05,670
there no no not Jesse oh no the manager

691
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:08,640
oh the manager and Jesse were ham-radio

692
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:11,550
buddies and he had seen the newspaper

693
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,300
article in 47 they were big newspaper

694
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,480
re-find saucer and the Mexican ranch in

695
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:20,280
New Mexico general says its radar

696
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:22,950
weather gadget you know but Jesse was

697
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:27,450
the intelligence officer at the Roswell

698
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:30,210
Army Air Field named Walker Air Force

699
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:34,980
Base it became later and so he was there

700
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:38,940
and a rancher came in with some crazy

701
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:46,640
sheriff said he ought to go the base and

702
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,570
jesse was the intelligence officer at

703
00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:51,720
the base so he brought his pieces of

704
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,180
wreckage there strange stuff very

705
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,180
lightweight strong foil-like material

706
00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:00,000
that you couldn't tear couldn't break

707
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:01,230
couldn't break through with a

708
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:03,150
sledgehammer and stuff like that and

709
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,020
other things and the base commander

710
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:09,240
ordered Jesse to take one of their dirt

711
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:12,080
counterintelligence core guys

712
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:13,820
follow the rancher round he said there's

713
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:17,960
a whole huge field of this stuff fields

714
00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:19,700
are big in New Mexico there are many

715
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:23,240
people that like lots of fields and so

716
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:25,400
they brought some of it they followed

717
00:35:31,210 --> 00:35:27,670
the ranch around they came back with it

718
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:31,220
and that was the end of that there was

719
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:34,010
big story the Kenneth Arnold sighting

720
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:35,870
had occurred just a few weeks before

721
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:38,390
yeah the first sighting they got a lot

722
00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:41,240
of attention nine objects zipping around

723
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,840
in the sky he timed them locked on the

724
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,430
dashboard of the airplane he was flying

725
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,000
and they were going more than 1,200

726
00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:52,160
miles an hour that's a speed record at

727
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:55,940
that time was like 7-under Mawson you

728
00:36:01,740 --> 00:35:58,610
know this was quite extraordinary than

729
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:01,750
in other words but just so jesse was the

730
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:07,790
officer at the base who was the guy in

731
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:11,120
charge of bringing wreckage back in he

732
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:13,400
wasn't in charge of investigating UFOs

733
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:15,890
there was no such thing at that time I

734
00:36:21,790 --> 00:36:19,490
mean nobody kind of a job but he had the

735
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:21,800
clearance this is the only atomic

736
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:26,450
bombing group in the entire world the

737
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,010
Russians didn't test their first one

738
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:30,560
until a couple years later so only the

739
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:33,560
United States and that group was at

740
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:36,710
Roswell Army Airfield so this wasn't a

741
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:38,660
bunch of GI sitting around nothing

742
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:40,970
better to do the make up stories or

743
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:42,890
anything like that they all had to have

744
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:45,980
high-level security clearances atomic

745
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:47,930
bombs they were the only people in the

746
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:49,700
world who had access to them they

747
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:51,320
dropped the ones under worship of

748
00:36:57,810 --> 00:36:53,660
Nagasaki and two more in operation

749
00:37:01,660 --> 00:36:57,820
crossroads so Jesse was pretty special

750
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:01,670
in anyway I asked him worried them he's

751
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:03,970
from Houma I didn't know where home was

752
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:07,760
Louisiana but I called information got a

753
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,430
number for Jesse the next day after my

754
00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:11,920
lecture at Louisiana State University

755
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,000
and he told me his story and I followed

756
00:37:24,269 --> 00:37:20,240
up on that with Bill Moore we found 60

757
00:37:27,669 --> 00:37:24,279
some witnesses the first year after the

758
00:37:31,419 --> 00:37:27,679
we got looking at lucky sometimes you

759
00:37:33,339 --> 00:37:31,429
get lucky I called the rot I looked at

760
00:37:35,309 --> 00:37:33,349
how to look in and out lights or as well

761
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:35,319
yeah and looked at a list of newspapers

762
00:37:39,489 --> 00:37:37,729
Russell's got a newspaper the Roswell

763
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:39,499
Daily Record so I called them and I said

764
00:37:46,989 --> 00:37:41,689
you know maybe you can help me I've got

765
00:37:49,089 --> 00:37:46,999
these stories here about the group that

766
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:49,099
served at the base there guy named

767
00:37:53,919 --> 00:37:52,609
Walter Haut put out the pump the public

768
00:37:56,409 --> 00:37:53,929
information he was the public

769
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:56,419
information gun his wife worked at the

770
00:38:02,289 --> 00:38:00,140
newspaper how lucky can you get you know

771
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,299
so I talked to her and I talked to

772
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:05,119
Walter and he had been people think I

773
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:07,849
was a pil public information a big deal

774
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:10,249
he was a bombardier during the war flew

775
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:13,579
more than 20 missions over Japan and you

776
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:15,890
pick your best he including a couple and

777
00:38:21,789 --> 00:38:18,529
some of the tests and you pick your best

778
00:38:25,569 --> 00:38:21,799
guys because at that time we didn't have

779
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:25,579
a lot of moms to waste you gotta put the

780
00:38:31,179 --> 00:38:29,359
bomb in the right place for the test or

781
00:38:36,429 --> 00:38:31,189
if you're dropping on Hiroshima or

782
00:38:41,649 --> 00:38:36,439
Nagasaki and so I was lucky in that

783
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:41,659
sense and I managed to get grant there's

784
00:38:52,809 --> 00:38:47,569
a very special guy who has supported a

785
00:38:56,499 --> 00:38:52,819
lot of research on UFOs and first grant

786
00:38:59,259 --> 00:38:56,509
I got from him it was a first grant

787
00:39:03,729 --> 00:38:59,269
think game he's given a lot of sense and

788
00:39:07,899 --> 00:39:03,739
I was able to go out to New Mexico and

789
00:39:10,989 --> 00:39:07,909
there were two bombs I mean to saucer

790
00:39:13,029 --> 00:39:10,999
crashes there Roswell and the plains of

791
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:13,039
san agustin which is over near White

792
00:39:17,859 --> 00:39:15,369
Sands not too far from White Sands

793
00:39:20,919 --> 00:39:17,869
so when you start talking to the people

794
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:20,929
on the ground and the thing is that

795
00:39:24,609 --> 00:39:23,089
Walter Haut does knew a lot of the

796
00:39:27,909 --> 00:39:24,619
people he had to base your book and he

797
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:27,919
gave me a copy of it so you know oh yeah

798
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:30,380
I remember Joe lived in Oshkosh and this

799
00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:31,250
guy lived here

800
00:39:35,950 --> 00:39:33,230
I lived there and so that was a great

801
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:35,960
help to have somebody who had been there

802
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:39,800
at the time and now Roscoe is a small

803
00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:41,510
town now it's about the same size as

804
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Frederick did you know 5060 thousand

805
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:47,570
something like that at that time less

806
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:49,430
than 25 thousand but it was a big town

807
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:52,430
for that part of New Mexico you know and

808
00:40:00,250 --> 00:39:56,920
I get a kick out of the fact that the

809
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:00,260
town near where the crash actually

810
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:03,260
occurred wasn't Roswell was Corona tiny

811
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,430
little town and the first spy satellite

812
00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:09,520
was called the corona spies

813
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:12,980
interestingly enough we knew after the

814
00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:15,020
u2 disaster we knew their Russians would

815
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:17,000
be able to shoot one down because they

816
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,250
were able to fly almost as high as we

817
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:21,890
could at that time so isn't it ironic

818
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:24,740
that the corona spy satellite was

819
00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:28,310
developed and shows you the benefit of

820
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:31,640
being in a military program there were

821
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:37,910
12 failures in row the 13th one worked

822
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:40,750
and got more data on Soviet military

823
00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:43,730
installations than all the u2 flights

824
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:45,590
that had preceded it

825
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:49,070
that was a corona spy satellite and it

826
00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:52,730
was kept secret the corona for 25 years

827
00:40:59,410 --> 00:40:54,860
Wow for those who say you can't keep

828
00:41:02,080 --> 00:40:59,420
secrets yes so we did Oh what was it

829
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:02,090
like when you actually interviewed a

830
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:06,130
direct witness were they right away

831
00:41:12,850 --> 00:41:10,550
welcoming your or your interview or did

832
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:12,860
they was it hard to get them to actually

833
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:16,910
talk about they were welcoming they I

834
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:18,950
mean I gave him a background sheet and

835
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:20,390
stuff like that they knew I was

836
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:22,010
legitimate like I belong the American

837
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:23,480
nuclear society the American Physical

838
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,370
Society the Americans to do Aeronautics

839
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:27,680
and Astronautics and I only worked for

840
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:29,540
big companies General Electric General

841
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:32,470
Motors Westinghouse McDonnell Douglas

842
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:36,110
TRW systems so kind of very respectable

843
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:38,990
background and they know that well

844
00:41:42,749 --> 00:41:41,570
universities may hire quacks on occasion

845
00:41:46,959 --> 00:41:42,759
you know

846
00:41:49,539 --> 00:41:46,969
crackpots if you will but GE and

847
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:49,549
Westinghouse doesn't have that kind of

848
00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:51,769
reputation if you're good enough to work

849
00:41:58,749 --> 00:41:54,289
for them you must have something on the

850
00:42:01,809 --> 00:41:58,759
ball you know so people cooperated I

851
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:01,819
think a number the people that I talked

852
00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:05,450
to I think they were glad to get it off

853
00:42:12,249 --> 00:42:09,319
their chest really story yeah yeah

854
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:12,259
because they knew the the lives were in

855
00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:15,170
the paper right and how was the

856
00:42:19,779 --> 00:42:17,390
consistency of the people it was very

857
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:19,789
good how they described the materials

858
00:42:25,539 --> 00:42:23,180
and the properties of the materials and

859
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,549
stuff like that but again you got guys

860
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:28,160
working for the only atomic bombing

861
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:31,940
group and the entire world yeah that

862
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:35,229
says something they didn't hire idiots I

863
00:42:41,529 --> 00:42:37,910
mean I know having had a clearance for

864
00:42:44,289 --> 00:42:41,539
14 years that you gotta happen on the

865
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:44,299
ball to get hired to work on something

866
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:47,930
very classified right and in other words

867
00:42:51,489 --> 00:42:50,089
you don't walk in from outside hey I'd

868
00:42:56,170 --> 00:42:51,499
like to see where they make the nuclear

869
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:56,180
bombs or they load them or anything you

870
00:43:00,969 --> 00:42:58,910
don't have access so I found that people

871
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:00,979
were relieved to be able to talk to

872
00:43:08,739 --> 00:43:03,460
somebody that they felt they could trust

873
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:08,749
and they recognized I mean the cat was

874
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:11,089
out of the bag so to speak so they were

875
00:43:16,299 --> 00:43:13,430
not I know some people were in fear

876
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:16,309
because they were threatened right well

877
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:18,049
there were people in the early days had

878
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:20,329
been told to keep the damn mouth shut

879
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:24,650
no question about that and but that had

880
00:43:29,709 --> 00:43:26,690
to do with all kinds of classified

881
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:29,719
things all the guys work at the base had

882
00:43:34,959 --> 00:43:32,660
to have a clearance you didn't just walk

883
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:34,969
in off the street and get access because

884
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:36,410
you might walk around and see something

885
00:43:40,329 --> 00:43:38,210
that was classified even if you weren't

886
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:40,339
working with it there are plenty of

887
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:41,930
people working at the base it's like at

888
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:44,089
Los Alamos thousands of people work

889
00:43:48,969 --> 00:43:46,729
there and you have to have a clearance

890
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:48,979
because you may be exposed or hear

891
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:50,520
somebody talking or

892
00:44:00,320 --> 00:43:56,640
whatever so security has long arm and

893
00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:00,330
gathers in people in information and

894
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:03,120
threatens the heck out of you ever open

895
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:10,100
your mouth so when when the government

896
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:13,380
said that this was you know whether a

897
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,630
weather balloon with the radar reflector

898
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:16,980
or the radar reflector but when they

899
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,100
first when they first said that oh

900
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:22,140
nobody argued with it and not even the

901
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:26,220
witnesses know so they basically had

902
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:30,180
this out of their life or whatever until

903
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:32,070
you know you know it started being

904
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:35,700
investigating it again in the 70s right

905
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:40,140
right and what about the one thing

906
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:43,710
that's confusing is about the supposed

907
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:47,430
pod that crashed separate there seemed

908
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:50,550
to have been the bodies recovered a

909
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:52,770
couple of miles from where the wreckage

910
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:55,950
came down so a crew compartment would

911
00:44:59,720 --> 00:44:57,540
not be surprising when we talk about

912
00:45:04,730 --> 00:44:59,730
crew compartments on spacecrafts as a

913
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:04,740
matter of fact so you know the first

914
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:08,000
certainly the newspaper coverage in 1947

915
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:11,220
didn't say anything about bodies or

916
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:13,310
anything general says its radar weather

917
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,130
gadget army captures flying saucer on

918
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:20,460
her ranch in New Mexico general citizens

919
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:21,960
raid our weather gadget who was gonna

920
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:25,500
argue now did you actually speak with

921
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:27,930
any witnesses that said they saw bodies

922
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:31,760
did you personally speak to anyone I

923
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:34,950
Glenn Dennis was as close as I came he

924
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,280
was the mortician at the base and he

925
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:40,380
hadn't heard about them he was asked

926
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,280
about small caskets can you get smaller

927
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:47,520
gaskets and he says well you can if you

928
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:49,350
because you got a very children once in

929
00:45:57,289 --> 00:45:53,170
a while you know so Undertaker's even

930
00:45:59,460 --> 00:45:57,299
knew about such things but the people

931
00:46:02,039 --> 00:45:59,470
people weren't running around shooting

932
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:02,049
off their mouths hey Stan come and talk

933
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:04,089
to me it wasn't like that I had to find

934
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:07,329
them and oh sure I'd ask everybody I

935
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:11,140
talked to like Walter how I was looking

936
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:12,430
for which we can write the base at the

937
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:16,900
time it's a big base and in a small town

938
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:19,150
like that people get to know each other

939
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:23,049
you know this isn't the big city not at

940
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:26,470
all old for Roswell and the bases was

941
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:32,049
just what nine miles south of town okay

942
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:35,890
so I am going to some reason I can't get

943
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:40,859
our call-in number coming up there so

944
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,940
and I am going to open the phones up

945
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:48,400
people would like to call in and wish

946
00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:50,950
Stan well I'm trying to get the number

947
00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:55,539
up there right now but this number is

948
00:47:00,329 --> 00:46:57,640
only good during the live show and for

949
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:00,339
some reason this is just not showing up

950
00:47:06,089 --> 00:47:01,990
like I suppose see it right there but I

951
00:47:11,849 --> 00:47:06,099
can't get it to shift over so that

952
00:47:13,499 --> 00:47:11,859
call-in number is 603 967 403 Oh if

953
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,509
anyone would like to call in you're

954
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:16,170
welcome to call in and wish Stan well

955
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:18,700
now how that's going to work basically

956
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:21,400
is if you're listening live on YouTube

957
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:25,000
of course or kgr a radio you're gonna

958
00:47:29,759 --> 00:47:27,700
have to mute you're gonna have to mute

959
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:29,769
or turn down your speaker's down really

960
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:31,210
low so there's no feedback coming

961
00:47:37,019 --> 00:47:33,880
through and I'll take calls and you'll

962
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:37,029
be on hold until I introduce you I can

963
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:40,089
only take one person at a time so you'll

964
00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:42,220
have to be patient and calling in but

965
00:47:45,539 --> 00:47:43,779
you are welcome to call in now and

966
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:45,549
hopefully I'll be able to figure out the

967
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:49,089
call and number bring that back here to

968
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:50,230
put it up on the screen again that

969
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:56,079
number is 603 967 403 Oh or anyone that

970
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:56,380
would

971
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:00,640
and call it alright

972
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:05,230
so they'll probably call in more in the

973
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:12,369
second hour so in your your career in

974
00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:16,440
this field I would say that your your

975
00:48:21,779 --> 00:48:19,150
that's your biggest contribution it have

976
00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:21,789
to be I mean Roswell yeah it's on the

977
00:48:24,809 --> 00:48:22,359
map

978
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:24,819
I bet the I bet even the town has more

979
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:27,930
of a population because it's well the

980
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:31,359
museum International UFO Museum and

981
00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:34,950
Research Center in Roswell last year

982
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:37,480
you're actually the year before last

983
00:48:45,749 --> 00:48:44,049
it had 220 whoops let's start gonna have

984
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:45,759
to turn up turn off whatever it is make

985
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:49,690
a noise hang in there I know no hang in

986
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:52,900
there please yes sir last year the

987
00:49:02,789 --> 00:48:57,130
museum and over 220,000 visitors this is

988
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:02,799
a town yeah and you if you were there

989
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,140
you gotta want to be there it's it's in

990
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:06,880
the middle of nowhere it's 200 miles

991
00:49:12,059 --> 00:49:08,410
from Albuquerque it's 200 miles from

992
00:49:14,099 --> 00:49:12,069
Amarillo it's 200 miles from El Paso so

993
00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:14,109
it's not on the way by to anyplace

994
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:17,140
that's right words so that shows the

995
00:49:21,539 --> 00:49:18,609
interest may come from all over the

996
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:21,549
world no question about that just as

997
00:49:27,029 --> 00:49:24,730
I've spoken in all 50 states all 50

998
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:27,039
states ten Canadian provinces and 19

999
00:49:30,930 --> 00:49:29,049
other countries don't tell me that

1000
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:30,940
people aren't interested I know they are

1001
00:49:36,029 --> 00:49:34,240
cuz I've been out there alright so we

1002
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:36,039
caller what's your first name and where

1003
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:39,880
are you calling from um my first name is

1004
00:49:45,329 --> 00:49:42,880
yeah I know and I'm calling from Mount

1005
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:45,339
Pleasant Texas or I'm from San Antonio

1006
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:48,880
alright thank you I think I'm trying to

1007
00:49:53,309 --> 00:49:50,470
crank the volume down here a little bit

1008
00:49:56,609 --> 00:49:53,319
so you have a comment or a question

1009
00:49:59,099 --> 00:49:56,619
you'd like to ask in I have a question

1010
00:50:02,190 --> 00:49:59,109
more about the procedures on keeping

1011
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:02,200
secrets and I wasn't scared with know

1012
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:07,210
about analyzing secrets because keeping

1013
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:08,660
your mouth shut that's probably

1014
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:10,970
the problem that's not called upon

1015
00:50:18,579 --> 00:50:14,930
that's partly how is and it seems to me

1016
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:18,589
that in his I want to ask in his

1017
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:21,140
research had the other came to the

1018
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:25,849
conclusion that you that the phenomenon

1019
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:29,089
doesn't want you to know about it about

1020
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:33,230
the about UFOs in general not just UFOs

1021
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:36,140
but the paranormal in general and I

1022
00:50:39,099 --> 00:50:37,430
don't think my comments off the air

1023
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:39,109
thanks for the call

1024
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,700
well of course I haven't spoken to any

1025
00:50:46,089 --> 00:50:43,760
aliens and I haven't spoken to somebody

1026
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:46,099
who says yeah I'm well aware of all the

1027
00:50:49,569 --> 00:50:48,200
secrets in this than anything I mean we

1028
00:50:56,349 --> 00:50:49,579
don't get that kind of insight

1029
00:50:59,380 --> 00:50:56,359
information but I think the aliens are

1030
00:51:01,000 --> 00:50:59,390
here for their purposes they know we

1031
00:51:03,370 --> 00:51:01,010
know they're here after you've been

1032
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:03,380
tracked on radar umpteen hundred times

1033
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:06,140
from the ground and from the air and

1034
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:09,410
who's got the radar the government has

1035
00:51:12,940 --> 00:51:11,150
the radar you and I don't have our own

1036
00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:12,950
little radar set let's set up a radar

1037
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,539
set and see if we can crack any of these

1038
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:16,640
UFOs that would be neat but you know

1039
00:51:21,609 --> 00:51:19,490
we're not in that position so there have

1040
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:21,619
to be some few people in government and

1041
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:23,900
there's another misconception some

1042
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:24,950
people think well if you've got a

1043
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:26,930
top-secret clearance you have access to

1044
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:29,740
whole top secret material right wrong

1045
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:32,390
there are two parts you have to have an

1046
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,200
appropriate clearance and you have to

1047
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:37,760
have a need-to-know

1048
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:41,450
I mean I worked on radiation shielding

1049
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:43,700
front of the airplanes that did not give

1050
00:51:53,310 --> 00:51:50,290
me access to classified Q clearance

1051
00:51:56,850 --> 00:51:53,320
atomic secrets if you will from other

1052
00:51:59,250 --> 00:51:56,860
programmers sorry you don't ever need to

1053
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:59,260
know but I have a clearance that's not

1054
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:00,540
good enough

1055
00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:03,490
and somebody makes those decisions in

1056
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:06,040
other words so it's a double-layer you

1057
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:07,990
got to pass through the sieve in the

1058
00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:10,210
first place to make sure you're a decent

1059
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:13,180
honorable trustworthy etc etc and

1060
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:15,490
secondly you have to have a need-to-know

1061
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,910
and somebody has to certify that I went

1062
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:20,830
through this when I visited on business

1063
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:23,170
Los Alamos and other classified

1064
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:26,490
facilities my company had to send

1065
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:29,110
information about my clearance to those

1066
00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:32,290
people and they had to accept it I mean

1067
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:33,880
if they didn't accept that I couldn't

1068
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:37,990
visit there so it it's not a simple

1069
00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:41,500
question you know know it's difficult

1070
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:44,260
need to know it's very important yeah

1071
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:46,210
yeah I could see how that works all

1072
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:47,470
right we have another caller on the line

1073
00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:48,970
your first name and where are you

1074
00:53:00,960 --> 00:52:59,760
hi Stan good to hear from you I'm sorry

1075
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:00,970
you're retiring

1076
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:07,450
hey I'm 84 what do you expect you got a

1077
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:11,830
ways to go man Wow I hope to make 84 but

1078
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,930
I enjoyed your visit to a quick

1079
00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:15,520
Community College at Blacksburg State

1080
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:19,000
and I'm reading your book top-secret

1081
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:22,150
magic again and this time right now at

1082
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:25,510
the moment and I just got this email but

1083
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:28,810
this arrives YouTube is up and I just

1084
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,190
had to call in and say hi and

1085
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:32,800
congratulations I mean you're still

1086
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:39,100
alive right 86 so 84 84 well I have hope

1087
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:44,250
for another 20 years myself been good

1088
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:51,040
but I'm hoping I can get musk so he is

1089
00:53:58,860 --> 00:53:53,410
going to land at the gratitude in

1090
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,870
Cydonia and any book that you that

1091
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,440
stands human rights there's a splat

1092
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:03,839
acts in there they there's brutal truths

1093
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,660
and it is hard to get through the

1094
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:09,660
different leaders it really is I mean a

1095
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:12,329
top secret magic is one of the books

1096
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:15,569
that shows how ye have to go into the

1097
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,380
details of which typewriter was used and

1098
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:22,079
and something like that and it is true

1099
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,450
if you don't have a need to know even

1100
00:54:28,819 --> 00:54:26,400
presidents don't get the full briefings

1101
00:54:31,579 --> 00:54:28,829
thanks Bobby the last full briefing was

1102
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:31,589
Eisenhower so I know Kennedy didn't get

1103
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:39,900
one all the book sets this Dan Freeman

1104
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,020
has as I had and the other thing I've

1105
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:45,119
asked him for that he's never given me

1106
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,280
it's those five hundred black pages

1107
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:52,680
before yes and so I mean I'd like to be

1108
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:54,089
able to just flip through those things

1109
00:55:01,520 --> 00:54:58,020
on a commercial if I won the Publishers

1110
00:55:05,059 --> 00:55:01,530
Clearing House right but that'll never

1111
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:05,069
happen like being abducted I haven't

1112
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:07,710
even seen a UFO so I almost step behind

1113
00:55:14,859 --> 00:55:10,980
you well I haven't seen I don't really

1114
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,869
see money that my father did but he said

1115
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:17,160
you know so I haven't seen one myself

1116
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:20,940
but I know they were there you know with

1117
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:22,710
with everything else and all the videos

1118
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:25,319
that are out there and all the books

1119
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:30,230
I've read that you've wrote and pouty

1120
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:34,530
day after Roswell you know that one your

1121
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,290
Air Force guy was one that definitely

1122
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:39,780
stepped forward and had Kony's to tell

1123
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,530
the truth and and and thank God for for

1124
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,599
people like him and like an unlikely

1125
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:47,579
would you discovers blue books about

1126
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:51,210
support for teen I mean just your old

1127
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:54,510
man up now I mean that right there and

1128
00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:58,170
14 there's no way anybody if it's

1129
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:00,690
brought up can debate it there's like

1130
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:03,540
911 you can't debate that thing came

1131
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:06,210
down hundred ten story building came

1132
00:56:11,650 --> 00:56:07,650
down in fifteen seconds without

1133
00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:11,660
explosives I mean your physics Scottie

1134
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:13,220
this thing

1135
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:17,510
you know science is science and you

1136
00:56:21,099 --> 00:56:19,010
can't make a left-hand turn on a

1137
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:21,109
right-hand turn unless you're inside the

1138
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:22,190
center of gravity

1139
00:56:29,950 --> 00:56:24,890
all right well actually that project

1140
00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:29,960
group of 14 it that was asked to the the

1141
00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:31,580
the State Department I mean it never

1142
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:37,460
does the DoD a NASA or even Donald Trump

1143
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:39,650
he would not they would not be able to

1144
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:43,400
explain such a report 14 without saying

1145
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:46,369
that yes through our extraterrestrials

1146
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:48,140
here and yes they are abducting people

1147
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:50,540
and there's also a race of them that

1148
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,580
looked like God and I'm sorry but we

1149
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:55,040
really won look what we're running late

1150
00:56:58,720 --> 00:56:56,740
for the break we have to go into break

1151
00:57:03,370 --> 00:56:58,730
thanks so much for the call

1152
00:57:06,010 --> 00:57:03,380
yeah good luck Dan and get in touch with

1153
00:57:08,339 --> 00:57:06,020
you again someday I hope so too I hope

1154
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:08,349
I'll still be around to be talked to

1155
00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:11,000
good night talking to you thing all

1156
00:57:16,089 --> 00:57:13,550
right so it's time for our break this is

1157
00:57:18,820 --> 00:57:16,099
Martin Willis on podcast UFO and we're

1158
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:18,830
on kgr a radio and hang in there we'll

1159
00:57:32,170 --> 00:57:28,960
be right back Martin we're in the clear

1160
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:32,180
the cleaning staff is here running

1161
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:38,330
vacuum cleaners and everything else ok

1162
00:57:42,579 --> 00:57:40,910
good all right sorry about the feedback

1163
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:42,589
I this really nothing I can do right now

1164
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,119
to stop that so it's not real bad no no

1165
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:49,040
it just didn't happen they're just one

1166
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:51,050
little short period oh okay all right

1167
00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:52,790
because I turned the computer a little

1168
00:57:56,620 --> 00:57:54,440
bit hoping it would deflect it a little

1169
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:56,630
bit all right thank you

1170
00:58:00,910 --> 00:57:59,210
okay so now we have this break here let

1171
00:58:03,110 --> 00:58:00,920
me just pull up to see if we have any

1172
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:03,120
questions

1173
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:07,800
that people wanted answered and what

1174
00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:10,410
about the skinwalker that movie just

1175
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:11,790
came out I wondered - have you looked

1176
00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:14,790
into that at all it's on my list of

1177
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:18,120
books - to get I haven't looked into

1178
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:21,780
that I know George Knapp though yeah

1179
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:25,650
he's great guy and a very solid reporter

1180
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:28,110
yeah I mean we don't always agree on

1181
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,120
things yeah yes that's one of the people

1182
00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:35,760
who we don't agree about yeah but I have

1183
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:37,860
the greatest respect for George I did -

1184
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:39,510
he's very knowledgeable I've been

1185
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:41,310
interviewed by him I've spent some time

1186
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:45,870
with them yeah and really good man yeah

1187
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,490
yeah and it's matter I was reading

1188
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:50,220
something today and you find journal I

1189
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:52,950
think about the skinwalker ranch in

1190
00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:54,180
something like I've got to get the book

1191
00:59:01,100 --> 00:58:57,630
I don't know the book yeah so the video

1192
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:01,110
just came out on the 11th I think it was

1193
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:05,640
and that is a video that Jeremy Korbel

1194
00:59:11,780 --> 00:59:08,910
did using a lot of George Knapp's

1195
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:11,790
original footage from 25 years earlier I

1196
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:15,060
think yes he's a big fan of Lazar and

1197
00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:15,690
Sue Ellen

1198
00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:17,640
yes he is he's got a film coming out in

1199
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,590
December you know we have a call coming

1200
00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:22,140
in now we have I don't know exactly how

1201
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:23,340
many minutes but why don't we take the

1202
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:23,850
call

1203
00:59:37,610 --> 00:59:32,520
all right your first name where you can

1204
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:37,620
get them Robert and gone from California

1205
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:39,930
hey Robert how you doing so just to let

1206
00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:41,310
you know we only have two minutes here

1207
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:42,990
in the break so if we can wrap it up in

1208
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,940
the two minutes I'd be great so go ahead

1209
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,480
we're just gonna ask him yeah okay did

1210
00:59:53,090 --> 00:59:50,220
you want me to ask the question now sure

1211
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:53,100
already okay

1212
01:00:03,650 --> 00:59:58,890
stand George Easley Isley he was the

1213
01:00:05,860 --> 01:00:03,660
last link to FDR and Truman he died not

1214
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:05,870
too long joy I'm the one at such the

1215
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:08,970
email from California that he was just

1216
01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:11,370
like one city over from me in Tustin

1217
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:16,350
California and and he was like the inner

1218
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:17,070
circle

1219
01:00:21,830 --> 01:00:19,980
I remember you skating but you felt at

1220
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:21,840
the time he didn't know anything I think

1221
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:24,270
you said that you had interviewed him he

1222
01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:26,310
was a naval officer

1223
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,300
but this wondering now that there's some

1224
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:32,460
time has passed do you think he may have

1225
01:00:41,090 --> 01:00:35,730
known something about Roswell what was

1226
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:41,100
the last name nicely L see L say L sey

1227
01:00:45,110 --> 01:00:42,660
George L see

1228
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:45,120
yes I talked to him as a matter of fact

1229
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:46,980
and I was very favorably impressed he

1230
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:50,610
was a Navy ensign for many years and he

1231
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:55,170
was very helpful and I was pleased to

1232
01:01:03,680 --> 01:00:58,110
find firsthand sources like that I mean

1233
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:03,690
he was in the military I appreciated you

1234
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:05,250
know I've had the good fortune of

1235
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:07,500
talking to lots of people that I had the

1236
01:01:15,110 --> 01:01:12,570
greatest respect for the world war two

1237
01:01:17,570 --> 01:01:15,120
was a major event in man's history and

1238
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:17,580
most of the guys I talked to had been in

1239
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:20,940
the war or soon thereafter in the

1240
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:23,250
military and stuff so I was very

1241
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:25,590
impressed and George OC is one of them

1242
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,590
as matter of fact his picture is in one

1243
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:30,720
of my books I think I think I'm actually

1244
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:34,290
gonna have to you don't so he told you

1245
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:36,090
that he did not have any information

1246
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:38,700
about Roswell or right okay one of the

1247
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:40,050
other crashes you've written about

1248
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,610
writte you're gonna have to hang in

1249
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:43,200
there maybe we can somehow bring this

1250
01:01:49,850 --> 01:01:47,490
conversation into we have to go oh the

1251
01:02:00,620 --> 01:01:49,860
brakes off just hang in there a reason

1252
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,630
why you have to stop talking please and

1253
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:02,640
we'll get you right back on here here we

1254
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:03,090
go

1255
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:11,430
three two already one welcome back to

1256
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:13,590
the show my name is Martin Willis and I

1257
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:15,750
am with Stanton Friedman up in New

1258
01:02:20,810 --> 01:02:18,390
Brunswick and we were talking all kinds

1259
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:20,820
of things we just and during the break a

1260
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:25,440
name came up and and we have a caller on

1261
01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:29,010
the line now so if you would can you

1262
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:30,760
kind of in a nutshell

1263
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:32,710
talk about this situation we can bring

1264
01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:38,050
the caller back in which is Lee whatever

1265
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:44,080
is your a jail yes well I I called the

1266
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:47,430
Truman library I've been to 20 archives

1267
01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:49,810
because I think you need to get

1268
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:52,870
first-hand information and the

1269
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:54,610
Eisenhower library the Truman library

1270
01:03:00,930 --> 01:02:57,370
the Kennedy Library and a whole bunch of

1271
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:00,940
other places and I asked the Truman

1272
01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:04,090
library this is a number of years ago

1273
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:07,360
was there anybody still around who you

1274
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:10,650
know was at the White House in the 40s

1275
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:13,480
when Truman was president and stuff and

1276
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:15,670
they mentioned Giorgio's scene and they

1277
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:18,430
told me how to find him which I did and

1278
01:03:25,590 --> 01:03:22,570
do you see and so we were talking about

1279
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,600
things like James and Leigh who was the

1280
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:27,280
executive secretary of the National

1281
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:31,630
Security Council and here's a guy Elsie

1282
01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:35,650
who served at the White House how can

1283
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:37,630
you not listen to somebody like that you

1284
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:40,210
know during this time frame he's dead

1285
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:40,750
now

1286
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:47,410
but so I did talk to him it was very

1287
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:52,960
favorably impressed and I had so many

1288
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:55,030
people that I talked to it like I'll see

1289
01:04:00,030 --> 01:03:57,880
you who had sufficient background so

1290
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:00,040
that you could not not from done as oh

1291
01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:01,180
he's a nobody

1292
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:02,740
you know he doesn't know what he's

1293
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:04,450
talking about he wasn't there that sort

1294
01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:08,620
of nonsense I check out people I ask for

1295
01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:11,470
credentials I look to see forms you know

1296
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:13,180
if there's one thing the military does

1297
01:04:21,630 --> 01:04:16,080
it has forms all over the place

1298
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:21,640
documents and so he was a Navy ensign

1299
01:04:29,310 --> 01:04:27,160
and he LC was very helpful in offering

1300
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:29,320
information about how things worked at

1301
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:29,980
the White House

1302
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:33,130
and things like you know if you get guys

1303
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:34,750
who were there I had somebody say one of

1304
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,750
the documents that I say is genuine and

1305
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:40,480
fill class who was a big D bunker paid

1306
01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:43,630
me a thousand dollars for proving him

1307
01:04:54,450 --> 01:04:50,790
wrong about documents and I was able to

1308
01:04:59,880 --> 01:04:54,460
get other documents and one thing George

1309
01:05:03,450 --> 01:04:59,890
agreed with LC was that the government

1310
01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:03,460
isn't always consistent not everything

1311
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:06,190
has the same typeface back then people

1312
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,080
use typewriters is before the computer

1313
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:11,760
age back in the 40s and 50s and stuff

1314
01:05:22,380 --> 01:05:18,910
rajma was 1947 so it was good to talk to

1315
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:22,390
people who were on the scene and who

1316
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:25,270
could say yes that's just exactly of

1317
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:27,790
course somebody was out of the country

1318
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:31,450
at the time Wood James Leigh the

1319
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:36,900
National Security Council have been

1320
01:05:41,849 --> 01:05:39,010
involved in doing something this is

1321
01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:41,859
during the Eisenhower era and so I was

1322
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,560
just wondering now that you have time to

1323
01:05:50,550 --> 01:05:46,960
reflect you think that he may have known

1324
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:50,560
about Roswell prop he might have known a

1325
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,540
little bit heard something from somebody

1326
01:05:58,290 --> 01:05:54,880
scuttlebutt if you will as they used to

1327
01:06:00,930 --> 01:05:58,300
call it and the reason why I say that at

1328
01:06:03,740 --> 01:06:00,940
the end of that during a second

1329
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:03,750
interview he showed the reporter

1330
01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:06,430
top-secret documents of the Truman

1331
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:09,040
Doctrine doctrine which currently you

1332
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:10,930
know I mean whatever the special words

1333
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:13,930
for not having these papers well he had

1334
01:06:19,230 --> 01:06:16,630
him in his house in a hidden in some

1335
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:19,240
sort of library cabinet so that got me

1336
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:21,190
to wondering I wonder what else he may

1337
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:25,330
have I don't know anybody who's

1338
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,150
listening who has some documents that

1339
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:29,920
they'd like to show somebody that they

1340
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:31,690
think they can trust and who's gonna die

1341
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:36,400
anyway pretty soon I'd like to hear from

1342
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:37,930
them I'm in Fredericton New Brunswick

1343
01:06:43,350 --> 01:06:41,530
Canada I'm in the phone book you can

1344
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:43,360
look me up I didn't wonder if you

1345
01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:44,950
if you knew if you knew any of his

1346
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:47,020
family members because that was the

1347
01:06:50,790 --> 01:06:48,640
other thing that can be after they sent

1348
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:50,800
you in the email that he actually led to

1349
01:06:55,350 --> 01:06:53,230
reporters see this document of the

1350
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:55,360
Truman Doctrine that he actually kept

1351
01:06:59,550 --> 01:06:57,970
from the White House which I'm sure he

1352
01:07:02,670 --> 01:06:59,560
wasn't supposed to keep but you know of

1353
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:02,680
course back then as you know and my dad

1354
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:06,460
was also in the Air Force sac Strategic

1355
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:08,890
Air Command he actually five he actually

1356
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:12,640
told me one day that he saw five saucers

1357
01:07:18,540 --> 01:07:16,200
out at Hunter airbase in Georgia

1358
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:18,550
Savannah Georgia it's not there anymore

1359
01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:20,290
but I don't know if you're aware of an

1360
01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:22,840
arm of the Army Air Corps base called

1361
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:25,150
the hunter airbase he said it's coming

1362
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:28,050
out of the latrine walking towards his

1363
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:31,690
bomber is I believe they kept that also

1364
01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:33,670
atomic bombs there may be or at least

1365
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:38,350
some sort of the wing wing you know b-52

1366
01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:40,630
is there at hunter Air Base and he city

1367
01:07:47,390 --> 01:07:43,350
looked up and he saw a five disc

1368
01:07:51,180 --> 01:07:47,400
circling around like a merry-go-round

1369
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:51,190
this is like back in 1953 and I was this

1370
01:07:55,380 --> 01:07:52,900
one that was another thing I mean I know

1371
01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:55,390
I'm off the topic but I was the one that

1372
01:07:59,550 --> 01:07:57,790
sent to the email that he had passed and

1373
01:08:02,220 --> 01:07:59,560
I was in the Orange County Register and

1374
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:02,230
then I thought well maybe he had contact

1375
01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:04,390
with the family to see if he had and he

1376
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:07,000
hidden things that they discovered so

1377
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:09,190
see anything retaining the Roswell or

1378
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:13,030
the other crash did you found that was a

1379
01:08:20,930 --> 01:08:13,840
Corona

1380
01:08:23,310 --> 01:08:20,940
other was the plains of Sun Agustin yeah

1381
01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:23,320
well I'm just kind of I'm kind of late

1382
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:26,950
to the party Vanna you know I've seen

1383
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:29,410
you many times on the dusty back when

1384
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:31,390
they really had news programs such as

1385
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:34,810
the real Nightline and Larry King and of

1386
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:38,980
course now it's like cotton candy so you

1387
01:08:46,170 --> 01:08:43,450
know I mean but no fluff a shout out

1388
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:46,180
from Southern California have a great

1389
01:08:50,850 --> 01:08:47,980
retirement have some fun

1390
01:08:52,410 --> 01:08:50,860
are you going to be popping up still

1391
01:08:55,050 --> 01:08:52,420
once in a while because I just think

1392
01:08:56,430 --> 01:08:55,060
can't see you sitting around well no

1393
01:08:58,050 --> 01:08:56,440
I've got a couple more

1394
01:09:01,289 --> 01:08:58,060
but just to give I'll be in South

1395
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:01,299
Carolina at the end of the week and I

1396
01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:05,500
got to in California three next year

1397
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,589
I'm the 50th anniversary of MUFON the

1398
01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:11,199
mutual UFO network they have an annual

1399
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:13,150
symposium and it'll be in Irvine

1400
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:18,000
California in the summer early July of

1401
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:20,770
2019 well that's where that's where I

1402
01:09:26,999 --> 01:09:22,449
live so I'll have to come out and

1403
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:27,009
firstly see you okay good all around

1404
01:09:34,349 --> 01:09:29,650
I'll be out there outside yeah I'm the

1405
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:34,359
one that you owe me money okay all right

1406
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:36,670
hey thanks to the code day yeah all

1407
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:39,130
right Martin hey great thank you thank

1408
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:40,390
you sorry for the cutoff there a little

1409
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:43,420
bit hey just to let people know this is

1410
01:09:49,289 --> 01:09:46,770
not this show here is not the official

1411
01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:49,299
Stan Freeman retirement show this show

1412
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:53,020
is one that I am doing personally for my

1413
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:54,850
show since I've had to stand on at least

1414
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:58,360
ten times so this is my farewell I

1415
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:00,280
wanted to make sure that I saw stand in

1416
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:03,730
person and was able to do this so I'm

1417
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:05,110
not saying that Stan is retiring

1418
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:07,030
tomorrow you'll never see him but I will

1419
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:09,489
say that this is my farewell show to him

1420
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:12,880
in tribute to him and and I personally

1421
01:10:20,610 --> 01:10:16,870
will say at the end but I think stan has

1422
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,620
done so much for this for this field in

1423
01:10:23,459 --> 01:10:22,719
so many different ways and thank you

1424
01:10:26,459 --> 01:10:23,469
yeah

1425
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:26,469
and speaking of that what do you think

1426
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:30,640
the future is do you find that there may

1427
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:34,510
be another Stan Freedman that may evolve

1428
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,420
are you hoping for that well there are

1429
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:40,239
people like John Greenwald who is only

1430
01:10:44,939 --> 01:10:43,330
in his thirties yeah and so he's got it

1431
01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:44,949
and he's done more he's got the black

1432
01:10:50,970 --> 01:10:47,980
vault website yeah he's collected more

1433
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:50,980
darn documents than you can imagine

1434
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,680
so I think there will be others and

1435
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:55,840
there's also one of the things that's

1436
01:11:00,930 --> 01:10:57,610
changed it's the thing I mentioned

1437
01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:00,940
earlier the perception that there are so

1438
01:11:05,939 --> 01:11:04,270
many planets now we didn't know about

1439
01:11:08,189 --> 01:11:05,949
that we didn't think we're there we

1440
01:11:09,150 --> 01:11:08,199
thought planets were rare the earth is

1441
01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:09,160
unique

1442
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:09,680
kind of

1443
01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:11,270
we thought were in the top of the heap

1444
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:14,060
yeah you know I don't believe it for a

1445
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:17,330
minute but the perception of that has

1446
01:11:25,570 --> 01:11:21,050
changed so I expect a couple of things

1447
01:11:27,580 --> 01:11:25,580
are gonna happen somebody is going to

1448
01:11:30,190 --> 01:11:27,590
decide that it's time for the world to

1449
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:30,200
know about this

1450
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:32,090
they've been covering up the cosmic

1451
01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:35,590
Watergate I call it for a lot of years

1452
01:11:41,290 --> 01:11:37,550
secondly I think there are gonna be

1453
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:41,300
people who may have kept some documents

1454
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:44,090
and will make them public because

1455
01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:47,360
they're in their 80s or 90s and what the

1456
01:11:52,990 --> 01:11:49,940
heck you know it's time the public is

1457
01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:53,000
ready for it now look if you talk to

1458
01:11:59,080 --> 01:11:55,340
people back then about having one point

1459
01:12:03,100 --> 01:11:59,090
six planets per star that's

1460
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:03,110
extraordinary it really is as an ocean

1461
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:05,690
there they're all over the darn place we

1462
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:08,870
didn't think that look 8,000 planets we

1463
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:11,480
thought might be out there sending radio

1464
01:12:18,010 --> 01:12:14,770
signals and we're talking over a hundred

1465
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:18,020
billion planets in our galaxy alone

1466
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:20,450
that's not coming the other galaxies

1467
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:24,560
maybe a low figure yeah we don't because

1468
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:26,930
colonization of migration nobody talks

1469
01:12:32,980 --> 01:12:29,870
about that I mean look at Canada and the

1470
01:12:35,530 --> 01:12:32,990
United States back 500 years ago weren't

1471
01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:35,540
many people around those places you know

1472
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:38,900
that's right and as time has gone on and

1473
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:41,000
people saw up on a wonderful place I'm

1474
01:12:45,490 --> 01:12:42,890
living in Canada now and I think I'm a

1475
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:45,500
dual citizen I you know god save the

1476
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:49,580
clean so what I'm saying is our

1477
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:52,970
perception of our significance has

1478
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:55,460
changed yeah and now I don't know

1479
01:12:59,320 --> 01:12:57,050
whether the churches of the world have

1480
01:13:05,290 --> 01:12:59,330
gotten together but it was once a

1481
01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:05,300
question s of the Pope and somebody was

1482
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:09,080
the Pope's made a comment about if God

1483
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:11,570
made them there's no reason there can't

1484
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:14,950
be life all over the place out there

1485
01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:17,570
there's this sort of enlightened comment

1486
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:25,550
yeah well anyway we have a caller yes

1487
01:13:30,970 --> 01:13:27,410
for anyone that's calling into the show

1488
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:30,980
what happens is you're gonna have to be

1489
01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:33,770
on hold until you is that a dog do we

1490
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:38,950
welcome to the show caller what's your

1491
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:42,530
first name where you calling from hi my

1492
01:13:52,900 --> 01:13:44,780
name is Luis berry and I'm calling from

1493
01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:52,910
Alaska I don't have certain stanton do

1494
01:14:02,640 --> 01:13:55,990
you have any idea what reverse Oz

1495
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:02,650
Morse's Moses non-ionizing radiation is

1496
01:14:08,650 --> 01:14:05,450
well no that's a process used to D

1497
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:08,660
sailing water as far as I know where you

1498
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:13,940
putting on Elise knows gone I'm sorry

1499
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:16,250
sir the reason I was wondering is one of

1500
01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:18,670
the people who was in Middleton Forest

1501
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,800
the US government paid off him off

1502
01:14:27,370 --> 01:14:24,320
because he was exposed to this type of

1503
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:27,380
radiation off and supposedly in the

1504
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:31,010
forest and took care of his aliens

1505
01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:33,050
reasons stuff like that I was just

1506
01:14:39,370 --> 01:14:37,100
wondering what this process was and you

1507
01:14:42,670 --> 01:14:39,380
know how did they relate that to

1508
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:42,680
radiation I don't know but that's a

1509
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:45,020
unique one on me and I certainly don't

1510
01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:47,210
know I know a lot about neutrons and

1511
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:52,150
gamma rays and beta particles maybe but

1512
01:14:58,150 --> 01:14:54,830
look there are radioactive materials all

1513
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,160
over the place a lot more in some places

1514
01:15:03,370 --> 01:15:00,560
than others from Mother Nature that's

1515
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:03,380
forgetting about one from that man is

1516
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:05,570
produced you know the cobalt-60 source

1517
01:15:13,210 --> 01:15:12,230
they got lost some place and all right

1518
01:15:16,330 --> 01:15:13,220
well thank you sir

1519
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:16,340
sure pleasure speaking with you and I've

1520
01:15:21,070 --> 01:15:19,190
been a fan of yours since we can thank

1521
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:21,080
you all right take care of thanks for

1522
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,449
the call thank you very much

1523
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:25,040
all right so everyone just to let you

1524
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:27,260
know if you're calling in I'm not going

1525
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:28,910
to pick up right away what you'll be is

1526
01:15:32,650 --> 01:15:30,140
you'll be on hold you'll be able to hear

1527
01:15:34,419 --> 01:15:32,660
us talking and then I'll introduce you

1528
01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:34,429
so just hang in there and make sure that

1529
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:36,710
your volume sound on your computer or

1530
01:15:42,370 --> 01:15:39,890
however you're listening to the show so

1531
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:42,380
we will take calls that numbers up on

1532
01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:44,510
the screen for those of you at kgr a

1533
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:49,340
radio that number is six oh three nine

1534
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:53,000
six seven four OH three oh you can call

1535
01:16:01,240 --> 01:15:56,480
it and either thanks Stanford's work or

1536
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:01,250
ask them a question and so one of the

1537
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:03,410
things I wanted to ask you Stan was in

1538
01:16:07,450 --> 01:16:05,270
this whole time that you've been

1539
01:16:09,490 --> 01:16:07,460
involved in this field what do you think

1540
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:09,500
is the most important step that's

1541
01:16:17,229 --> 01:16:14,750
happened besides the planets I think the

1542
01:16:22,030 --> 01:16:17,239
most important step is that many more

1543
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:22,040
people have come to realize that we're

1544
01:16:27,729 --> 01:16:24,830
not in the center of the universe and

1545
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:27,739
that our technology is undoubtedly not

1546
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:29,870
the most advanced in the neighborhood so

1547
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:35,530
to speak and we've taken ourselves off

1548
01:16:44,770 --> 01:16:39,910
the pinnacle the middle of the universe

1549
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:44,780
look at us and it hasn't taken it's only

1550
01:16:52,990 --> 01:16:48,800
a few hundred years you know first

1551
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:53,000
flight was 1903 amazing how much has

1552
01:16:56,650 --> 01:16:53,510
changed

1553
01:16:58,810 --> 01:16:56,660
oh such a short time yes and I'm

1554
01:17:00,700 --> 01:16:58,820
impressed with that because I know that

1555
01:17:04,419 --> 01:17:00,710
progress comes from doing things

1556
01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:04,429
differently in an unpredictable way it's

1557
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,620
that last part that bothers people they

1558
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:08,560
think things go in a straight line

1559
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:12,050
no the transistor is not just a small

1560
01:17:20,380 --> 01:17:16,280
vacuum - I hope people remember vacuum

1561
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:20,390
tubes right right

1562
01:17:26,140 --> 01:17:23,570
so do you think also I had you on the

1563
01:17:29,169 --> 01:17:26,150
show right after the December 16th

1564
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:29,179
you know the Pentagon released the New

1565
01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:32,050
York Times article that came out and and

1566
01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:34,190
at that time you were saying you wish

1567
01:17:37,650 --> 01:17:35,470
you were young

1568
01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:37,660
again when that started what do you

1569
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:39,190
think what do you think about since the

1570
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:41,470
last time we talked about that I I'm

1571
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:44,080
rather disappointed I mean here you got

1572
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:47,620
some very impressive people talking

1573
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:49,570
about a program that was secret for

1574
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:53,290
years many years and was a small amount

1575
01:17:58,620 --> 01:17:55,050
that was spent in that particular

1576
01:18:05,010 --> 01:17:58,630
program twenty-two million dollars which

1577
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:05,020
is nothing right but I think that we're

1578
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,580
hanging in the right direction I think

1579
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:09,520
there's gonna be a lot more I think a

1580
01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:10,840
lot more has been spent that we don't

1581
01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:13,420
know anything about but people shouldn't

1582
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:15,400
be surprised that just because we've

1583
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:16,810
made a lot of advances which we

1584
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:19,300
certainly have that we're at the

1585
01:18:26,130 --> 01:18:22,830
ultimate okay that's the end of the road

1586
01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:26,140
that's not the way things if words over

1587
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:27,940
and over again people have thought

1588
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:31,930
that's it you know they're they're great

1589
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:35,650
astronomer right around the turn of the

1590
01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:38,830
19th century said if there was one thing

1591
01:18:44,910 --> 01:18:42,580
he was sure man would never fly any

1592
01:18:46,170 --> 01:18:44,920
distance in a vehicle that's right and

1593
01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:46,180
that was two months before the Wright

1594
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:48,160
brothers first flight that's right yeah

1595
01:18:51,660 --> 01:18:49,810
and remember the Wright brothers first

1596
01:18:54,330 --> 01:18:51,670
flight was like 40 miles an hour

1597
01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:54,340
a short distance regards or something no

1598
01:18:59,340 --> 01:18:56,200
less than that was it yeah yeah we have

1599
01:19:03,020 --> 01:18:59,350
it inside of b-52 that's right I've

1600
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,030
never seen that diagram no yeah so

1601
01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:06,120
things have happened a lot more quickly

1602
01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:09,190
than would have been expected right some

1603
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,420
people have suggested well that means

1604
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:13,120
we've had help from the aliens why would

1605
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:16,330
any sensible alien give any technology

1606
01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:19,300
to Earthlings we killed 50 million

1607
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:23,500
people in the past century and in wars

1608
01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:25,450
20th century was the worst on record

1609
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:28,300
really yeah yeah fifty million people I

1610
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:31,210
mean that is just hardly it's not

1611
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:34,270
something to be proud of right right we

1612
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,950
have another caller and other people

1613
01:19:39,810 --> 01:19:38,080
just be patient I'm taking calls one at

1614
01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:39,820
a time sorry trying to call it now

1615
01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:41,590
caller what's your first name where you

1616
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:42,100
calling from

1617
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:45,460
oh this is John from North Carolina oh

1618
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:48,280
hi dear how are you you have a question

1619
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:52,930
or on comment yes Stanton thank you for

1620
01:19:59,760 --> 01:19:56,440
all the work you've done a yeoman's work

1621
01:20:03,630 --> 01:19:59,770
I've always enjoyed seeing you over the

1622
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:03,640
decades and you to be congratulated and

1623
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:06,670
honored IEM actually did one of the

1624
01:20:15,450 --> 01:20:09,010
first stories after you and Bill Moore

1625
01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:15,460
did your initial study with Roswell I

1626
01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:17,020
was working on in search of at the time

1627
01:20:22,260 --> 01:20:19,660
we went out and did a UFO government

1628
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:22,270
cover-up story and we we interviewed

1629
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:25,150
Jesse myself senior and does his take on

1630
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:28,620
everything and coincidentally I actually

1631
01:20:38,130 --> 01:20:32,500
had worked with and for Jaime shandur a

1632
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,140
Oh years ago and a kinda lost track of

1633
01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:40,960
Jaime and and all that but I was pretty

1634
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:43,240
active in the whole field back and this

1635
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:44,470
would've been in the early eighties

1636
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:49,540
actually as an ABC field producer I

1637
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:52,960
actually was doing a UFO story up in

1638
01:20:59,120 --> 01:20:55,330
Wyoming and and actually had a sighting

1639
01:21:03,930 --> 01:20:59,130
and got got film of it and it was it was

1640
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,940
pretty interesting and very shocking

1641
01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:06,400
when when it my cameraman and I saw it

1642
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,390
it just it changed my life do you know

1643
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:13,120
what what James doing out or whatever

1644
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:14,590
happened cuz I've never talked to him

1645
01:21:18,510 --> 01:21:16,390
and it's a bit coy about answering me

1646
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:18,520
when we discuss things and I was wanted

1647
01:21:23,460 --> 01:21:21,370
to respect his privacy but he kind of

1648
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,470
leave her looks like she was working on

1649
01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:25,360
something special I think that you know

1650
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:27,880
hit he and the bill and they were and

1651
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:29,650
you probably were involved with there's

1652
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:32,230
a time and then it's just kind of it

1653
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:34,600
just died off and in the 80s and it

1654
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:36,070
didn't go anywhere until had his little

1655
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:39,670
thing I think I'm you can add to that I

1656
01:21:45,210 --> 01:21:42,310
would I know I haven't had any contact

1657
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:45,220
with Jamie or bill nor for that matter

1658
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:47,830
for more than a decade I'd say as a

1659
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:51,160
general rule we worked together for some

1660
01:21:57,810 --> 01:21:54,610
period of time digging out witnesses and

1661
01:22:01,120 --> 01:21:57,820
matter of fact bill and Jamie Jamie was

1662
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:01,130
a Hollywood TV producers

1663
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:06,030
wanted to make a big special movie and

1664
01:22:11,540 --> 01:22:08,640
book and the whole can of worms if you

1665
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:11,550
well as it turned out right all right

1666
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:13,980
and it didn't go anywhere really I was

1667
01:22:19,459 --> 01:22:17,190
disappointed about that we had

1668
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:19,469
philosophical differences but they did

1669
01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:24,510
work hard in those early days I did

1670
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:26,360
spend a lot of time with Jamie and Bill

1671
01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:28,770
and I haven't heard from either one of

1672
01:22:33,650 --> 01:22:31,160
them like I say in almost a decade

1673
01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:33,660
well I remember Bill telling me a

1674
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:35,790
conversation that I don't know if this

1675
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:37,770
is true or not but he said that he had

1676
01:22:45,740 --> 01:22:41,910
gotten in inquiry from 60 minutes and he

1677
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:45,750
didn't really I guess didn't want to go

1678
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,500
forward with that but but so it was kind

1679
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:52,080
of momentum was going and and then he

1680
01:22:57,860 --> 01:22:53,489
just died so it was in earthing but I

1681
01:23:00,919 --> 01:22:57,870
can't lie to you all right I saw and had

1682
01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:00,929
an experience on on a gentleman up in

1683
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:04,679
Wyoming which coincidentally is only he

1684
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:07,770
lived about 60 miles as the crow flies

1685
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:12,810
from AE Warren Air Force Base he has a

1686
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:16,260
nuclear missile field up there and they

1687
01:23:21,919 --> 01:23:19,110
had shut down this hole in the 70s and

1688
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:21,929
this was this gentleman's experience

1689
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:25,440
took place over about about a decade and

1690
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:29,310
we saw this stuff and I can I can

1691
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:32,070
confirm that there's something very deep

1692
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:35,130
going on well I I think if anybody

1693
01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:37,140
wanted to spend the effort they could

1694
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:40,640
mind the old data before everybody dies

1695
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:44,040
in other words if you made a major

1696
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:47,370
effort to get people who have knowledge

1697
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:52,050
to come forward I think you could gather

1698
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:54,810
a lot of data people who were in a

1699
01:24:00,439 --> 01:23:57,480
position at a radar installation or in

1700
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:00,449
an airplane I mean there are some

1701
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:03,330
spectacular cases involving airplanes

1702
01:24:07,450 --> 01:24:05,310
and a whole crew seeing UFOs flying

1703
01:24:09,220 --> 01:24:07,460
circling around the earth

1704
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:09,230
what are you supposed to say about these

1705
01:24:13,870 --> 01:24:10,730
people you're trusting them with nuclear

1706
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:13,880
weapons you say you don't believe what

1707
01:24:18,130 --> 01:24:16,130
they say about seeing add Arnold flying

1708
01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:18,140
saucer or two of them or five of them or

1709
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:21,710
whatever that that's nonsense so and

1710
01:24:27,490 --> 01:24:24,260
there's a big couple of big oceans out

1711
01:24:31,390 --> 01:24:27,500
there too and the Navy has stayed away

1712
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:31,400
from this subject very loudly and I

1713
01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:33,290
don't know how they got away with it why

1714
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:36,500
haven't the press gun after Navy people

1715
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:38,210
because there certainly have been

1716
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:40,310
sightings by guys on board aircraft

1717
01:24:46,210 --> 01:24:42,410
carriers and destroyers and so it's a

1718
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:46,220
big ocean yeah also remember we have

1719
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,650
nuclear-powered submarines and

1720
01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:50,960
nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and

1721
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,270
I'm still impressed by the fact that a

1722
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:55,040
nuclear-powered aircraft carrier can

1723
01:25:02,050 --> 01:24:58,610
operate without refueling from someplace

1724
01:25:04,510 --> 01:25:02,060
close to 25 years somebody told me 30

1725
01:25:06,940 --> 01:25:04,520
but I'll say 25 what the heck that

1726
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:06,950
that's terribly impressive and

1727
01:25:14,110 --> 01:25:11,030
submarines in world war ii u-boats could

1728
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:14,120
stay under for about a day now they can

1729
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:18,170
go around the world underwater which is

1730
01:25:24,460 --> 01:25:20,930
truly incredible but I think that's

1731
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:24,470
what's kept the peace because we know

1732
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:26,600
that if somebody drops a bomb on us an

1733
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:30,080
ICBM ershov we can retaliate with

1734
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:31,370
submarines that he doesn't know where

1735
01:25:36,490 --> 01:25:34,490
they are that means you're almost

1736
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:36,500
invulnerable you're protected by those

1737
01:25:42,610 --> 01:25:39,770
huge oceans and so we don't have a good

1738
01:25:44,230 --> 01:25:42,620
way of detecting submarines you know the

1739
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:44,240
enemy can't find our submarines oh

1740
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:46,970
they're right here there and no it

1741
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:52,010
doesn't work that way so the nuclear

1742
01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:53,780
systems have been important and I think

1743
01:25:59,550 --> 01:25:55,790
there certainly are plenty of sightings

1744
01:26:07,150 --> 01:25:59,560
by of UFOs near nuclear installations

1745
01:26:10,510 --> 01:26:07,160
and you can understand what a real

1746
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:10,520
quickly I have another ancillary story

1747
01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:12,920
but so he remember what you remember the

1748
01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:17,150
the the invaders show back in the 70s

1749
01:26:25,090 --> 01:26:19,780
yeah and

1750
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:25,100
Babli so I so I like Genesis the actor

1751
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:28,910
and I actually had talked to him he was

1752
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:31,130
working on a UFO show of the time and

1753
01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:32,690
him and I happen to meet him at a

1754
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:35,720
conference and so I talked to him about

1755
01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:38,330
what I was working on and he said this

1756
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:41,860
is what he said to me was I can tell you

1757
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:45,470
exactly what he told me he said well you

1758
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:47,930
know that's interesting he said when I

1759
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:50,420
was working and he was like the lead in

1760
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:53,330
this show and he said when I was working

1761
01:26:58,540 --> 01:26:56,450
on that program and it all it lasted I

1762
01:27:03,190 --> 01:26:58,550
think it was maybe three seasons at the

1763
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:03,200
most and he said I got a call from Air

1764
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:06,290
Force personnel and he said you know the

1765
01:27:10,780 --> 01:27:09,260
guys are flying those bombers you know

1766
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:10,790
they're in the 60s and I say oh the

1767
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,530
Strategic Air Command he goes yeah he

1768
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:14,960
goes I was contacted by a believe he

1769
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:17,930
said it was a captain and he said the

1770
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:19,490
captain wanted to come and talk to him

1771
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:22,370
so and I said about what he said about

1772
01:27:27,370 --> 01:27:24,710
this experience that he had had so they

1773
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:27,380
got together and the captain in

1774
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:29,530
proceeded to tell them that they were on

1775
01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:33,050
they were on one of their golden

1776
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,340
missions whether they got nuclear

1777
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:36,320
weapons are flying so their own you know

1778
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:39,290
alert at any time and there's always

1779
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,390
always a bomber or a series of bombers

1780
01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:42,800
in the air in the old days in the Cold

1781
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,560
War and he said that their b-52 with

1782
01:27:50,230 --> 01:27:47,840
being tracked tracked and trails a few

1783
01:27:52,180 --> 01:27:50,240
miles back by these objects that could

1784
01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:52,190
see him on the radar and they just

1785
01:27:59,410 --> 01:27:56,300
trailed him for hours and then Roy told

1786
01:28:01,150 --> 01:27:59,420
me he said and then over the intercom

1787
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:01,160
I'm just telling you what he told me he

1788
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:04,310
said over the inner this Air Force guy

1789
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:09,710
told Roy but over the intercom came a

1790
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:14,690
voice and essentially it was you

1791
01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:16,730
shouldn't be playing with these weapons

1792
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:19,670
these nuclear weapons you need that

1793
01:28:25,860 --> 01:28:21,890
you're dealing with something you you

1794
01:28:29,710 --> 01:28:25,870
know nothing of you should just not not

1795
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:29,720
do what you're doing and again I'm just

1796
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:32,639
I'm just the messenger here and

1797
01:28:38,030 --> 01:28:36,090
and so they it affected everyone so much

1798
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:38,040
on the aircraft that these guys wanted

1799
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,050
to go out and tell tell somebody I mean

1800
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:43,199
was that was it affected them so so

1801
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,409
deeply so they sold they told Roy and he

1802
01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:48,239
says we'll listen when she came to me

1803
01:28:52,459 --> 01:28:50,550
for tea and he said well can you help us

1804
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:52,469
get this out and go public with it and

1805
01:28:57,410 --> 01:28:54,690
he said well I'm just you know I'm an

1806
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:57,420
actor on a TV show it's you know core

1807
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:00,300
fictional and he said but if you want me

1808
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:02,580
to do something I'll try to help you and

1809
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:04,409
he said okay well we'll get back to you

1810
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,449
and he didn't hear from them for a

1811
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:08,159
couple a couple months and then they

1812
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:09,960
eventually got back to him and said you

1813
01:29:15,890 --> 01:29:13,290
know we were told and this is kind of

1814
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:15,900
obvious but he said we were told to keep

1815
01:29:19,850 --> 01:29:18,210
our mouths shut to not talk about any of

1816
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:19,860
this and he says you know you're not

1817
01:29:25,459 --> 01:29:22,080
going to hear from anymore and I'm just

1818
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:25,469
I've been clearly given those directions

1819
01:29:34,570 --> 01:29:30,810
so thank you very much but that's it and

1820
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,580
Roy told me this in person the story so

1821
01:29:40,820 --> 01:29:36,690
there's stuff going on

1822
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:40,830
I saw myself and you're tracking it you

1823
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:44,580
know in your way and one day we're going

1824
01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:46,020
to know about it and I think it's going

1825
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,190
to be huge much more bigger than we ever

1826
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:52,400
think I think there's that

1827
01:29:59,660 --> 01:29:54,810
extraterrestrial aspect of things but I

1828
01:30:03,129 --> 01:29:59,670
just feel that that also is conscious

1829
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:03,139
being this goes way beyond

1830
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,480
extraterrestrial and I think I think the

1831
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,159
way that these beings are getting is are

1832
01:30:12,350 --> 01:30:10,080
so advanced that I think the development

1833
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:12,360
has been that they literally can travel

1834
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,650
with their mind I think that's I mean

1835
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:18,239
they're I think they're coming in are

1836
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:21,510
different levels many versions many

1837
01:30:25,459 --> 01:30:23,610
different evolutionary periods but I

1838
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:25,469
think the ones at the top can just get

1839
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,369
here by thinking it let some thanks

1840
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,719
thank you so much I appreciate

1841
01:30:34,669 --> 01:30:32,000
everything I've done

1842
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:34,679
you're very welcome and now we do

1843
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:37,290
appreciate the call we actually have

1844
01:30:41,229 --> 01:30:39,810
another another caller calling in I'll

1845
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:41,239
take them now

1846
01:30:45,970 --> 01:30:43,730
and I want to follow up after the

1847
01:30:47,979 --> 01:30:45,980
scuttle I hang in there caller I want to

1848
01:30:50,110 --> 01:30:47,989
follow up after this call about bill

1849
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:50,120
more a little bit caller you're on the

1850
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:51,860
line your first name where you're

1851
01:31:02,200 --> 01:30:59,410
I'm sorry can you hear me you're on

1852
01:31:05,170 --> 01:31:02,210
Terry what's your first name please

1853
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,180
my name is Joe from New Jersey hi Joe

1854
01:31:10,270 --> 01:31:07,280
you got a comment or question for

1855
01:31:12,190 --> 01:31:10,280
Stanton Friedman I would just like to

1856
01:31:14,050 --> 01:31:12,200
thank him for lending credibility this

1857
01:31:16,900 --> 01:31:14,060
whole subject is most of times do you

1858
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:16,910
talk about this stuff viewed as a

1859
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:19,489
crackpot and the other thing I wanted to

1860
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:22,730
ask him was about you know the recent

1861
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:25,489
like NASA and the government owns this

1862
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:28,370
rocket anymore and got rid of the Space

1863
01:31:34,750 --> 01:31:32,450
Shuttle because I think that you know if

1864
01:31:36,750 --> 01:31:34,760
we thought that they don't use it

1865
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:36,760
anymore because these are back engineer

1866
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:41,210
UFOs that they have different kinds of

1867
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:44,000
well flight apparatus to go into space

1868
01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:48,050
law well I wouldn't be surprised if

1869
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:49,700
they've got systems we don't know about

1870
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:50,810
but there are a couple of things you

1871
01:31:56,860 --> 01:31:53,330
have to take into account advanced

1872
01:32:00,250 --> 01:31:56,870
propulsion systems are expensive they

1873
01:32:03,820 --> 01:32:00,260
don't come cheap if you're going to

1874
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:03,830
advance the state of the art and there

1875
01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:06,290
it gets much harder to hide if you got a

1876
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:08,540
fleet of them in other words and what's

1877
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:10,640
the point of having them from a defense

1878
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:13,250
viewpoint unless you can distribute them

1879
01:32:18,430 --> 01:32:15,050
where they're needed Heather did there

1880
01:32:20,770 --> 01:32:18,440
any on to protect the United States to

1881
01:32:23,380 --> 01:32:20,780
protect us against our enemies who might

1882
01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:23,390
want to attacked us and so forth so

1883
01:32:29,170 --> 01:32:26,950
there's a limited supply of money

1884
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:29,180
certain limited in the supply of

1885
01:32:34,060 --> 01:32:32,030
imagination to which I've noticed that

1886
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:34,070
people can't imagine anybody coming here

1887
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:35,600
not wanting to land on the White House

1888
01:32:42,610 --> 01:32:41,090
lawn you know and I think let's say that

1889
01:32:47,190 --> 01:32:42,620
aliens aren't stupid

1890
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:50,050
collar can you turn can you mute your

1891
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:53,890
your computer in the background

1892
01:33:01,540 --> 01:32:56,080
I'm sorry that's all right

1893
01:33:04,060 --> 01:33:01,550
no just that the whole question there

1894
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:04,070
have already been well over a dozen PhD

1895
01:33:08,890 --> 01:33:06,500
theses done about UFOs most people don't

1896
01:33:10,689 --> 01:33:08,900
know about any of them you know and I

1897
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:10,699
get professors who say you know why

1898
01:33:13,959 --> 01:33:12,410
isn't somebody written a thesis well

1899
01:33:16,780 --> 01:33:13,969
they have one of them was about press

1900
01:33:18,340 --> 01:33:16,790
coverage and had some very damning

1901
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:18,350
statements to make about the inadequacy

1902
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:20,930
the failure the press to do its job etc

1903
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:25,489
etcetera so there is a sophisticated

1904
01:33:31,060 --> 01:33:27,530
literature out there if you go looking

1905
01:33:32,500 --> 01:33:31,070
for in my book top-secret magic which

1906
01:33:36,970 --> 01:33:32,510
was written a number of years ago I've

1907
01:33:40,209 --> 01:33:36,980
list I think it's 11 PhD theses done

1908
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:40,219
about UFOs and people just stare at me

1909
01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:42,560
what do you mean they got paid I mean

1910
01:33:47,470 --> 01:33:45,500
they they they did a thesis yes one was

1911
01:33:50,189 --> 01:33:47,480
on press coverage which was I found very

1912
01:33:53,290 --> 01:33:50,199
fascinating but psychological and

1913
01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:53,300
philosophical implications and things

1914
01:33:58,780 --> 01:33:56,120
like that the stuff is out there but you

1915
01:34:02,770 --> 01:33:58,790
got to go looking for it it's not coming

1916
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:02,780
to you hey thanks for the call you're

1917
01:34:16,620 --> 01:34:11,800
caller caller welcome to the show your

1918
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:18,520
welcome to the show where you calling

1919
01:34:24,490 --> 01:34:21,730
from your name please

1920
01:34:29,709 --> 01:34:24,500
obviously there's a problem there I see

1921
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:29,719
a Massachusetts number on the line okay

1922
01:34:35,020 --> 01:34:33,290
can't hear them all right so what I

1923
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:35,030
wanted to ask you about you were you

1924
01:34:39,820 --> 01:34:38,090
were I would say you're good friends

1925
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:39,830
with Bill Moore at the time you yes with

1926
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:44,330
him so the MUFON conference in 1989 he

1927
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:47,330
comes out and and and talks about being

1928
01:34:53,170 --> 01:34:50,090
a disinformation agent he talks about

1929
01:34:57,070 --> 01:34:53,180
the Paul bennewitz case being involved

1930
01:34:59,920 --> 01:34:57,080
and not a good way in that did you have

1931
01:35:02,830 --> 01:34:59,930
any inkling that something was going on

1932
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:02,840
before he came out with that not really

1933
01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:05,840
but don't deny our

1934
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:07,910
Stickley different in our approach to

1935
01:35:14,410 --> 01:35:11,090
these matters and we had our

1936
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:14,420
disagreements even back then he worked

1937
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:18,410
hard he persisted in going after people

1938
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:21,530
and data you know finding people and so

1939
01:35:27,790 --> 01:35:26,090
forth but there's no question that the

1940
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:27,800
field was right for disinformation

1941
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:29,720
because it's a little checking and

1942
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:32,000
double-checking and triple-checking the

1943
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,890
Rick Doty business that whole thing

1944
01:35:37,540 --> 01:35:36,320
there and there's no question that there

1945
01:35:41,860 --> 01:35:37,550
are people in the government who are

1946
01:35:46,570 --> 01:35:41,870
very happy to dis inform you know to

1947
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:46,580
keep the wolves at bay so to speak by

1948
01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:49,630
seeding the turf with false information

1949
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:52,270
misleading information and so forth

1950
01:36:00,100 --> 01:35:55,850
if you talk to any serious military

1951
01:36:02,910 --> 01:36:00,110
officers from back then you know that

1952
01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:02,920
there were what's the word I want

1953
01:36:11,410 --> 01:36:07,880
indoctrinations to stay away from this

1954
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:11,420
subject don't leak this information I

1955
01:36:15,220 --> 01:36:13,250
mean it's obvious you don't want your

1956
01:36:18,220 --> 01:36:15,230
officers to release the latest nuclear

1957
01:36:19,450 --> 01:36:18,230
weapons designed for example there's a

1958
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:19,460
lot of other stuff you don't want them

1959
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,890
to release either remember there's

1960
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:23,600
something missing in this equation who

1961
01:36:28,330 --> 01:36:26,810
speaks for planet Earth you know it's

1962
01:36:30,970 --> 01:36:28,340
easy to talk about landing I know one

1963
01:36:33,790 --> 01:36:30,980
goes one but still the president doesn't

1964
01:36:36,370 --> 01:36:33,800
speak for the planet right yeah there's

1965
01:36:38,140 --> 01:36:36,380
nobody who speaks for the planet we have

1966
01:36:40,030 --> 01:36:38,150
a the caller up sounds like this

1967
01:36:42,220 --> 01:36:40,040
feedback coming through if you could

1968
01:36:45,250 --> 01:36:42,230
mute wonderful yeah mute whatever good

1969
01:36:47,290 --> 01:36:45,260
yeah yeah I don't have nothing let me

1970
01:36:50,620 --> 01:36:47,300
turn my volume down yeah yes I hear I

1971
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:50,630
hear a hiss so I want to continue that

1972
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:52,330
talk a little bit more in just a minute

1973
01:36:57,670 --> 01:36:55,550
so we do have another call coming in too

1974
01:37:01,330 --> 01:36:57,680
so you get where you calling from me

1975
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:01,340
what's your first name please you you're

1976
01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:03,610
talking to me right that's correct okay

1977
01:37:08,350 --> 01:37:05,390
this is Eric

1978
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:08,360
I'm calling from Boston here I'm

1979
01:37:15,790 --> 01:37:11,360
actually the MUFON state director for

1980
01:37:18,670 --> 01:37:15,800
Massachusetts oh yeah and I am not

1981
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:18,680
staying a few years ago up in Maine

1982
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:22,370
star the contactee conference up in

1983
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:22,910
Maine

1984
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:30,670
it was great Stan you mentioned that

1985
01:37:36,460 --> 01:37:34,640
typically we no longer feel that we try

1986
01:37:40,030 --> 01:37:36,470
not to think that we're the center of

1987
01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:40,040
the universe which brings me to

1988
01:37:43,690 --> 01:37:41,900
something that I I have troubles with

1989
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:43,700
current science let me spout out some

1990
01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:50,810
figures here earth they say is well I

1991
01:37:57,490 --> 01:37:53,960
got this I got it all up a 4.5 billion

1992
01:38:00,460 --> 01:37:57,500
years okay earth is 4.5 billion years

1993
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:00,470
okay the universe

1994
01:38:08,890 --> 01:38:04,840
they say current science wants to say is

1995
01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:08,900
13.8 billion years yeah so it's kind of

1996
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:12,350
it's like on the same scale there but

1997
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:14,030
then when you go and you look at the

1998
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:15,470
Milky Way galaxy

1999
01:38:25,390 --> 01:38:22,370
13.5 billion years ago

2000
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:25,400
that's very close that that means it's

2001
01:38:31,060 --> 01:38:27,890
one of the first one of the first

2002
01:38:35,470 --> 01:38:31,070
galaxies after the Big Bang that's what

2003
01:38:38,610 --> 01:38:35,480
they think can you see why I have

2004
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:38,620
trouble with this in that I think it the

2005
01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:42,320
creationists are still trying to make

2006
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,350
they get their way to these people that

2007
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:47,840
come up with these figures and it's

2008
01:38:53,890 --> 01:38:50,540
still being were made out to be the

2009
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:53,900
center of the universe it continues what

2010
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:55,970
do you do you understand what I'm

2011
01:39:00,220 --> 01:38:58,250
talking about well I certainly agree

2012
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:00,230
with you and I wonder if it isn't true

2013
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,170
all over the universe the local galactic

2014
01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:06,080
neighborhood if you will tone it down a

2015
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:08,230
little bit from the universe if

2016
01:39:15,190 --> 01:39:13,490
everybody for some time until they get

2017
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:15,200
the truth from going out there and

2018
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:16,970
making better observations and so forth

2019
01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:19,910
I think everybody will think of

2020
01:39:25,540 --> 01:39:21,860
themselves as being of central

2021
01:39:31,060 --> 01:39:25,550
importance but I like to think they are

2022
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:31,070
and so yeah I think mankind or people

2023
01:39:33,889 --> 01:39:32,639
kind universal kai

2024
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:33,899
I don't know what else to call the

2025
01:39:39,859 --> 01:39:37,260
residents of the universe has an ego

2026
01:39:42,830 --> 01:39:39,869
problem we all like to think we're

2027
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:42,840
important and whether you say it's

2028
01:39:47,449 --> 01:39:44,820
Bishop Ussher who said everything was

2029
01:39:49,929 --> 01:39:47,459
created in 4004 BC I don't know whether

2030
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:49,939
he said a Sunday afternoon but you know

2031
01:39:55,879 --> 01:39:53,550
that's not very long ago when you say

2032
01:39:58,009 --> 01:39:55,889
you know 13 billion years then you say

2033
01:40:01,239 --> 01:39:58,019
what do we know about what happened 13

2034
01:40:02,689 --> 01:40:01,249
billion years ago damn little is all I

2035
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:02,699
know

2036
01:40:11,509 --> 01:40:08,610
worldwide at aliens look like earthlings

2037
01:40:13,639 --> 01:40:11,519
I say maybe it's the other way around

2038
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:13,649
maybe it's earthlings look like aliens

2039
01:40:17,359 --> 01:40:15,090
because we may have been somebody's

2040
01:40:18,859 --> 01:40:17,369
colony penal colony of course they

2041
01:40:20,270 --> 01:40:18,869
dumped all the bad boys and girls here

2042
01:40:22,729 --> 01:40:20,280
and that's why we're so nasty to each

2043
01:40:28,549 --> 01:40:22,739
other you know so there are a lot of

2044
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,559
ways to look at these things oh uh how

2045
01:40:32,359 --> 01:40:30,719
about like in a year or so you're gonna

2046
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:32,369
get the itch and you're gonna come back

2047
01:40:37,069 --> 01:40:33,780
out and you're gonna do a few things

2048
01:40:39,859 --> 01:40:37,079
what do you think well I I know that

2049
01:40:41,810 --> 01:40:39,869
next year's Mew fund convention and

2050
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:41,820
Irvine to California which is

2051
01:40:49,939 --> 01:40:45,689
unbelievable banja log in 2019 I will be

2052
01:40:53,149 --> 01:40:49,949
the keynote speaker oh yeah I've agreed

2053
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:53,159
to that yeah I got to be alive to do

2054
01:40:58,580 --> 01:40:54,449
that because I don't know how to breach

2055
01:41:00,620 --> 01:40:58,590
that barrier you know but yeah and you

2056
01:41:02,659 --> 01:41:00,630
know I I do have something on my side

2057
01:41:05,929 --> 01:41:02,669
genetics if you will both my parents

2058
01:41:11,719 --> 01:41:05,939
live to be 90 so I've got six more six

2059
01:41:12,979 --> 01:41:11,729
more years to go on both sides well over

2060
01:41:15,589 --> 01:41:12,989
a hundred you're gonna do over honor

2061
01:41:18,139 --> 01:41:15,599
again I'll try hey Eric thanks for the

2062
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:18,149
call all right thanks a lot bye-bye all

2063
01:41:28,299 --> 01:41:23,510
right another one coming in all right

2064
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:28,309
looks like it's coming up hello caller

2065
01:41:34,459 --> 01:41:32,070
that went away Oh No okay so the person

2066
01:41:36,549 --> 01:41:34,469
will probably call right back but so the

2067
01:41:39,229 --> 01:41:36,559
question I had you were you at that

2068
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:39,239
regarding Bill more will you actually

2069
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:39,840
add that

2070
01:41:45,229 --> 01:41:42,510
on event or how soon after that did you

2071
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:45,239
hear about when he came out and said he

2072
01:41:51,379 --> 01:41:49,679
was a disinformation I was there you

2073
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,389
were there and I was rather upset with

2074
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:53,520
middle part of the time there as you can

2075
01:42:00,140 --> 01:41:58,260
imagine and I it bothered me like I say

2076
01:42:01,070 --> 01:42:00,150
we have different standards and that's

2077
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:01,080
not surprising

2078
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:03,330
now our backgrounds are drastically

2079
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,050
different what you do for a living as a

2080
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:09,440
nuclear physicist you can't get by with

2081
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:12,449
opinions about most things you gotta

2082
01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:16,110
have a fax you got that data caller

2083
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:17,699
you're gonna have to wait on hold and

2084
01:42:23,810 --> 01:42:20,400
please mute your mute your computer or

2085
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:23,820
whatever you're listening on well just

2086
01:42:31,839 --> 01:42:29,280
that bill and I you know and Jamie we

2087
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,849
did work together we did work hard

2088
01:42:36,109 --> 01:42:34,320
gathering information collecting data

2089
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:36,119
and Bill had big they had big plans

2090
01:42:42,530 --> 01:42:39,570
about Jamie's Hollywood and so you know

2091
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:42,540
make a big special production and so

2092
01:42:48,620 --> 01:42:46,800
forth and we had our disagreements too

2093
01:42:54,919 --> 01:42:48,630
because I felt you got to stick closer

2094
01:42:58,520 --> 01:42:54,929
to the facts and well thank you well I'd

2095
01:43:00,169 --> 01:42:58,530
be untrue to myself and to being the

2096
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:00,179
professional organizations to which I

2097
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:04,290
work to which I belong if I wasn't

2098
01:43:11,689 --> 01:43:07,679
concerned about facts first and opinions

2099
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:11,699
later it's just the way things are when

2100
01:43:16,970 --> 01:43:13,770
you work for GE or Westinghouse or one

2101
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:16,980
of these outfits they don't want baloney

2102
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:20,730
yeah I'm sure or meatloaf you know they

2103
01:43:27,589 --> 01:43:25,920
want steak first cut right caller you're

2104
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:27,599
on the line now your first name and

2105
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:30,179
where are you calling from hi my name is

2106
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:31,590
Kevin I'm from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

2107
01:43:38,209 --> 01:43:34,500
Stan's old stomping ground right

2108
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:38,219
welcome to the show Kevin hi Stan hey I

2109
01:43:41,570 --> 01:43:39,570
just bought one of your books off your

2110
01:43:42,919 --> 01:43:41,580
website I have to tell ya you know I've

2111
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:42,929
been waiting awhile and I figured

2112
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:46,560
tonight's the night start yet well good

2113
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:48,810
the more people will buy the books the

2114
01:43:53,450 --> 01:43:53,010
faster they go flowing and the point you

2115
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:53,460
know

2116
01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:55,410
people think authors make a ton of money

2117
01:44:02,870 --> 01:43:59,510
and there are some who do but you know

2118
01:44:05,210 --> 01:44:02,880
royalties aren't that great I make more

2119
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:05,220
money selling the books that I can buy

2120
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:07,170
at a very good discount from the

2121
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:10,290
publisher my publisher he's good to us

2122
01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:12,570
yeah so I carry books around I ship

2123
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:15,380
books ahead and all that sort of thing

2124
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,330
go ahead well I I just want I just

2125
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:19,920
wanted to start adding to my collection

2126
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:21,810
I I love to work and I've always loved

2127
01:44:25,190 --> 01:44:23,820
your work and thank you so much for all

2128
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:25,200
you've done I just have one quick

2129
01:44:30,740 --> 01:44:28,560
question for you sure out of out of all

2130
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:30,750
of your years in this in this field and

2131
01:44:34,670 --> 01:44:32,370
you're studying and do you've

2132
01:44:38,150 --> 01:44:34,680
interviewed and and everything that goes

2133
01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:38,160
along with it can you tell us maybe what

2134
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:40,380
is your biggest disappointment or who

2135
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:42,690
has been your biggest disappointment and

2136
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,490
you don't have to mention names but I

2137
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,040
just wanted to know you know what is

2138
01:44:53,690 --> 01:44:48,960
really sometimes maybe turned you off to

2139
01:44:56,270 --> 01:44:53,700
all this well there are some people who

2140
01:44:58,580 --> 01:44:56,280
have climbed the heights of ufology if

2141
01:45:01,370 --> 01:44:58,590
you will featured at conferences and

2142
01:45:04,820 --> 01:45:01,380
stuff that I find are not being

2143
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:04,830
scientific or careful or with what they

2144
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:07,110
say and how they describe it or don't go

2145
01:45:12,620 --> 01:45:08,610
for the evidence they go for the

2146
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:12,630
proclamation which I find unacceptable

2147
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,300
just because of my background I could

2148
01:45:20,230 --> 01:45:17,040
never have gotten away with that kind of

2149
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:20,240
stuff when I was working as a physicist

2150
01:45:27,580 --> 01:45:24,000
that's probably and also I guess I was

2151
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:27,590
an optimist and I was hoping that the

2152
01:45:33,020 --> 01:45:30,210
lid would be blown off the cosmic

2153
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:33,030
Watergate by now you know that I can

2154
01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:37,980
relax and say told you so but I haven't

2155
01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:41,400
seen you know well I think I think

2156
01:45:45,290 --> 01:45:43,380
you've pride I think you've pried the

2157
01:45:47,780 --> 01:45:45,300
lid off a little bit I have to say that

2158
01:45:52,340 --> 01:45:47,790
well I've tried with Roswell in

2159
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:52,350
particular and I get a real kick out of

2160
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:53,610
the people's reaction when I show

2161
01:45:58,400 --> 01:45:55,650
blacked-out documents and whited out

2162
01:46:00,920 --> 01:45:58,410
documents if people say what's he

2163
01:46:04,220 --> 01:46:00,930
talking about well the National Security

2164
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:04,230
Agency the NSA or no such agency as some

2165
01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:06,710
people say hey

2166
01:46:12,050 --> 01:46:08,820
when we use the Freedom of Information

2167
01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:12,060
Act we went after them for their UFO

2168
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:16,920
stuff this is years ago and they really

2169
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:20,820
gave us nothing but they had found 156

2170
01:46:27,020 --> 01:46:25,020
top secret hombre UFO documents and we

2171
01:46:29,900 --> 01:46:27,030
finally got copies of some of these

2172
01:46:33,410 --> 01:46:29,910
things they're all whited out you could

2173
01:46:36,830 --> 01:46:33,420
read one cents per page one sentence per

2174
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:36,840
page and you can't read what's under the

2175
01:46:40,130 --> 01:46:38,340
whiteout because you're getting a zero

2176
01:46:44,210 --> 01:46:40,140
so you know you're not getting the

2177
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,220
originals and so I that was a

2178
01:46:48,979 --> 01:46:46,880
disappointment but it's certainly proof

2179
01:46:51,820 --> 01:46:48,989
the same happens with the CIA

2180
01:46:55,550 --> 01:46:51,830
incidentally we got 800 pages of

2181
01:46:59,300 --> 01:46:55,560
material through secret and I later got

2182
01:47:02,210 --> 01:46:59,310
a few dozen pages of top secret material

2183
01:47:04,490 --> 01:47:02,220
but you know you could read ten words on

2184
01:47:07,729 --> 01:47:04,500
some of the pages if you were lucky you

2185
01:47:11,330 --> 01:47:07,739
know so and then when I get people tell

2186
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:11,340
me it's hard to gather all this stuff

2187
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:13,980
and put it out publishers aren't

2188
01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:16,050
interested in informing the public

2189
01:47:20,060 --> 01:47:17,670
they're interested in publishing books

2190
01:47:21,620 --> 01:47:20,070
and making money nothing against my

2191
01:47:22,970 --> 01:47:21,630
publisher he's always been cooperative

2192
01:47:24,110 --> 01:47:22,980
and they've always gotten the books

2193
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:24,120
where they were supposed to be when they

2194
01:47:31,130 --> 01:47:25,440
were supposed to be there and stuff like

2195
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:31,140
that but processing the truth is not the

2196
01:47:37,340 --> 01:47:34,500
goal of publishing a book from the

2197
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,350
publishers viewpoint what good is a book

2198
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:39,840
if you can't sell it cost your money to

2199
01:47:46,910 --> 01:47:42,150
print it and you got to pay the author

2200
01:47:48,979 --> 01:47:46,920
something not a lot so it's been

2201
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:48,989
described well some anyone hey Martin

2202
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:51,060
Stan thank you so much I'll get off the

2203
01:47:54,710 --> 01:47:52,410
hook somebody else called hey Martin

2204
01:47:56,630 --> 01:47:54,720
thanks much great show and Stan thank

2205
01:47:58,940 --> 01:47:56,640
you so much for all these years of just

2206
01:48:00,979 --> 01:47:58,950
just keeping our minds moving thank you

2207
01:48:03,260 --> 01:48:00,989
so much Mike great Kevin thanks to the

2208
01:48:05,810 --> 01:48:03,270
call the line to you later

2209
01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:05,820
yeah I know lines open someone can call

2210
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,520
and if they'd like Stan and we may get

2211
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:11,040
interrupted again but you were telling

2212
01:48:15,770 --> 01:48:13,050
me at some point before we got a call

2213
01:48:17,459 --> 01:48:15,780
and kind of stopped talking about it why

2214
01:48:19,709 --> 01:48:17,469
you were disappointed in two

2215
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:19,719
stars with what them and we have a call

2216
01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:22,449
coming in I will try to get set so this

2217
01:48:27,689 --> 01:48:24,190
is the last call actually I'm going to

2218
01:48:33,540 --> 01:48:27,699
take we have we have about 10 minutes

2219
01:48:35,009 --> 01:48:33,550
left and let's see it come up caller

2220
01:48:36,959 --> 01:48:35,019
you're on the line you're gonna be down

2221
01:48:38,370 --> 01:48:36,969
to Columbia right yes that's right the

2222
01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:38,380
capital of the state of South Carolina

2223
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:42,070
is that drenched it was but I've checked

2224
01:48:46,379 --> 01:48:44,050
and they're not flooded out oh that's

2225
01:48:48,450 --> 01:48:46,389
good to know I was worried I'd have to

2226
01:48:52,649 --> 01:48:48,460
cancel the trip because I have to float

2227
01:48:56,969 --> 01:48:52,659
that this this caller is our resident

2228
01:48:59,279 --> 01:48:56,979
skeptic oh yeah so but I don't suppose

2229
01:49:01,770 --> 01:48:59,289
we have a lot of skeptical things to say

2230
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:01,780
to Stan just over the years I am old

2231
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:03,369
enough to remember what research was

2232
01:49:07,649 --> 01:49:05,170
like before there were search engines

2233
01:49:10,290 --> 01:49:07,659
and an internet searches and that sort

2234
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:10,300
of thing you really had to really get in

2235
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:11,530
there and do the work and I do

2236
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:17,440
appreciate that and I do also have a

2237
01:49:24,899 --> 01:49:20,920
question sure I wanted I wanted to ask

2238
01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:24,909
him with mj-12 and that's the subject

2239
01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:26,710
that has not come up this evening I just

2240
01:49:31,259 --> 01:49:30,729
want that you're right sorry yeah no

2241
01:49:33,899 --> 01:49:31,269
problem

2242
01:49:36,029 --> 01:49:33,909
I wanted to ask him when he first got

2243
01:49:39,299 --> 01:49:36,039
when they first saw the documents he was

2244
01:49:40,770 --> 01:49:39,309
a little skeptical because Donald

2245
01:49:42,899 --> 01:49:40,780
Mendel's name was on them and I just

2246
01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:42,909
wanted Donald Menzel was a Harvard

2247
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:44,860
University astronomer a very well-known

2248
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:47,530
astronomer need written three anti UFO

2249
01:49:54,299 --> 01:49:51,190
books and so when we get these done the

2250
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:54,309
mj-12 documents and it shows him as one

2251
01:50:01,200 --> 01:49:57,130
of the members of this incredibly secret

2252
01:50:03,209 --> 01:50:01,210
group majestic 12 your first thought is

2253
01:50:05,729 --> 01:50:03,219
oh that's baloney Menzel couldn't have

2254
01:50:06,660 --> 01:50:05,739
been a part of such a group but I had to

2255
01:50:09,979 --> 01:50:06,670
get permission for three different

2256
01:50:12,299 --> 01:50:09,989
people to look at his papers at Harvard

2257
01:50:13,770 --> 01:50:12,309
they couldn't just walk in off the

2258
01:50:18,209 --> 01:50:13,780
street in other words they were at the

2259
01:50:22,489 --> 01:50:18,219
archives there and was shocked frankly

2260
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:22,499
pleased I must say but shocked to find

2261
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:27,010
he was in touch with Jack Kennedy and it

2262
01:50:34,420 --> 01:50:30,770
was mental had a longer continuous

2263
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:34,430
see asian with high classified material

2264
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:36,110
with the NSC

2265
01:50:44,620 --> 01:50:41,030
NSA all these guys than anybody more

2266
01:50:48,910 --> 01:50:44,630
than 30 years and I was shocked by that

2267
01:50:51,190 --> 01:50:48,920
that he wrote to somebody that when

2268
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:51,200
we're properly cleared to each other I

2269
01:50:56,380 --> 01:50:54,790
can tell you more he was a cryptologist

2270
01:51:01,150 --> 01:50:56,390
code breaker

2271
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:01,160
code maker nobody knew that I mean and I

2272
01:51:07,540 --> 01:51:04,070
talked to families of all the 12 members

2273
01:51:09,610 --> 01:51:07,550
except one so I couldn't find I think

2274
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:09,620
the family was gone or whatever it was

2275
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:12,530
but Mendel was the biggest surprise ever

2276
01:51:17,260 --> 01:51:14,090
asking what was the biggest surprise in

2277
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:17,270
my UFO research it was finding Menzel's

2278
01:51:22,750 --> 01:51:19,210
name on that list then being able to

2279
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:22,760
prove that he had clearances that he did

2280
01:51:28,990 --> 01:51:24,650
all kinds of classified work and so

2281
01:51:32,350 --> 01:51:29,000
forth that was a shocker but I did the

2282
01:51:33,820 --> 01:51:32,360
homework it took a lot of effort I mean

2283
01:51:35,650 --> 01:51:33,830
and the people to say your mental

2284
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:35,660
couldn't have led a double life well I

2285
01:51:41,140 --> 01:51:38,330
would like to point out to three names

2286
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:41,150
Philby Burgess and MacLean these were

2287
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:42,770
Russian spies who worked in British

2288
01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:46,310
intelligence you know you can keep

2289
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:50,260
secrets and you can be inside an

2290
01:51:54,670 --> 01:51:52,490
organization that is working on the

2291
01:51:56,980 --> 01:51:54,680
opposite side from where you are and

2292
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,990
they did those were just three names

2293
01:52:00,250 --> 01:51:58,400
there I'm sure there were many others

2294
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:00,260
you know on both sides of the Iron

2295
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:00,770
Curtain

2296
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:04,820
but Menzel was a shock and I did talk to

2297
01:52:10,300 --> 01:52:06,890
his wife fight had talked to one of his

2298
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,310
children I was very impressed I became a

2299
01:52:16,930 --> 01:52:12,560
fan of Donald as well I had one phone

2300
01:52:19,540 --> 01:52:16,940
conversation with him early on and he

2301
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:19,550
said to me you can't be a scientist and

2302
01:52:27,130 --> 01:52:21,860
believe in flying saucers and I laughed

2303
01:52:29,980 --> 01:52:27,140
and he got angry all right Ryan hey

2304
01:52:32,250 --> 01:52:29,990
thanks for the call all right thank you

2305
01:52:36,250 --> 01:52:32,260
thank you I know

2306
01:52:37,660 --> 01:52:36,260
so we had someone would not if someone

2307
01:52:39,850 --> 01:52:37,670
what's that call someone's been trying

2308
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:39,860
to call and they want to call back one

2309
01:52:45,010 --> 01:52:42,050
more time just for a quick one

2310
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:45,020
then a quick comment or whatever then

2311
01:52:51,780 --> 01:52:48,409
call now or forever hold the dial or

2312
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:51,790
whatever it is but so we were talking

2313
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:54,800
about I'm not seeing that call coming in

2314
01:52:59,290 --> 01:52:56,840
so we're talking about why you were

2315
01:53:01,540 --> 01:52:59,300
disappointed and I don't want to end on

2316
01:53:03,339 --> 01:53:01,550
a negative note we only have a few

2317
01:53:05,649 --> 01:53:03,349
minutes left here but why were you

2318
01:53:07,839 --> 01:53:05,659
disappointed in to the stars because

2319
01:53:10,750 --> 01:53:07,849
there's not a lot going on

2320
01:53:12,250 --> 01:53:10,760
well yeah let me make one comment the

2321
01:53:15,819 --> 01:53:12,260
other shoot I've been waiting for the

2322
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:15,829
shoe to drop for seven months it sounded

2323
01:53:20,589 --> 01:53:17,690
so promising I was so impressed with the

2324
01:53:24,010 --> 01:53:20,599
people and yet we haven't had there had

2325
01:53:27,609 --> 01:53:24,020
to be reports written we haven't seen

2326
01:53:28,569 --> 01:53:27,619
any of them now whether that just means

2327
01:53:32,109 --> 01:53:28,579
somebody's being stubborn about

2328
01:53:35,260 --> 01:53:32,119
declassifying that's probably the most

2329
01:53:37,149 --> 01:53:35,270
logical reaction but still that was the

2330
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:37,159
disappointment that I thought the ball

2331
01:53:43,979 --> 01:53:40,730
was rolling and it stopped yeah yeah all

2332
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:43,989
right Stan so we have two minutes left I

2333
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:47,690
want if you would tell me what's been

2334
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:50,210
the best thing about this for you I'm

2335
01:53:53,830 --> 01:53:51,650
sorry we're not gonna be taking any more

2336
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:53,840
calls at this point what's been the best

2337
01:54:00,399 --> 01:53:58,159
part of ufology for you the opportunity

2338
01:54:02,350 --> 01:54:00,409
to talk to a lot of people in a lot of

2339
01:54:05,770 --> 01:54:02,360
places who were sharp people who know

2340
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:05,780
him bits and pieces to tell me that you

2341
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:07,250
know it would be easy to think while

2342
01:54:10,569 --> 01:54:08,510
Freedmen's the only one of the things

2343
01:54:12,129 --> 01:54:10,579
the way he does or has reached the

2344
01:54:14,979 --> 01:54:12,139
conclusions he has well I know that's

2345
01:54:17,229 --> 01:54:14,989
not true because I've talked to so many

2346
01:54:19,839 --> 01:54:17,239
people in so many places in all 50

2347
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:19,849
states ten provinces 19 other countries

2348
01:54:24,430 --> 01:54:21,679
and I have a question and answer period

2349
01:54:26,830 --> 01:54:24,440
after a real lecture and I do lots of

2350
01:54:32,879 --> 01:54:26,840
radio shows like this one and you know

2351
01:54:35,649 --> 01:54:32,889
television shows and so forth and so I

2352
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:35,659
am disappointed that we haven't gotten

2353
01:54:42,129 --> 01:54:39,440
farther I will say that because I was

2354
01:54:44,649 --> 01:54:42,139
hoping that during my lifetime the truth

2355
01:54:46,839 --> 01:54:44,659
would be exposed and mankind would start

2356
01:54:49,299 --> 01:54:46,849
to realize that Earthlings are not

2357
01:54:51,069 --> 01:54:49,309
unique and not as important as they like

2358
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:51,079
to think they are and maybe we can join

2359
01:54:58,420 --> 01:54:54,800
the galactic federation some time I hope

2360
01:54:59,410 --> 01:54:58,430
and one last quick question we have one

2361
01:55:02,340 --> 01:54:59,420
minute left

2362
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:02,350
what's some advice that you would give

2363
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:05,810
someone that's coming into the UFO field

2364
01:55:13,300 --> 01:55:09,650
now the biggest thing is do your

2365
01:55:15,490 --> 01:55:13,310
homework there look I've got a 10 page

2366
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:15,500
reference list at the end of top-secret

2367
01:55:21,340 --> 01:55:19,250
magic and almost much any flying saucers

2368
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:21,350
in science there's a lot of stuff out

2369
01:55:27,010 --> 01:55:21,920
there

2370
01:55:29,620 --> 01:55:27,020
large-scale scientific studies that most

2371
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:29,630
people are totally unaware of so if you

2372
01:55:34,300 --> 01:55:32,120
want to get steeped in the facts they're

2373
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:34,310
there but you got to look for him

2374
01:55:39,820 --> 01:55:36,560
I'm sorry blue books special report 14

2375
01:55:42,580 --> 01:55:39,830
is data and 30 201 sightings most people

2376
01:55:45,070 --> 01:55:42,590
have never heard of it that's really

2377
01:55:49,170 --> 01:55:45,080
amazing Stan I want to thank you

2378
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:49,180
personally so much for all that you have

2379
01:55:55,330 --> 01:55:53,330
you've given to the field and it's been

2380
01:55:56,740 --> 01:55:55,340
such an honor to talk to you and one of

2381
01:55:58,540 --> 01:55:56,750
the things I've always liked about you

2382
01:56:00,490 --> 01:55:58,550
is you're approachable and you make

2383
01:56:02,710 --> 01:56:00,500
yourself approachable at any event and

2384
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:02,720
also even on your website you give

2385
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:04,370
information which is kind of daring I

2386
01:56:10,420 --> 01:56:06,770
don't even do that so anyway I mean how

2387
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:10,430
they can reach me yes so thanks so much

2388
01:56:15,490 --> 01:56:12,350
I really appreciate it

2389
01:56:18,460 --> 01:56:15,500
appreciate it my pleasure go to Stanton

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Friedman dot-com get the scoop yeah it's

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all there and all right everyone so

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that's it for the show next week we'll

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be back with Joseph Burks and I want to

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thank everyone for listening